..on Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 03:24:32PM +0100, Jillian C. York wrote: > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Julian Oliver <jul...@julianoliver.com>wrote: > > > > > Per-country censorship: > > > > > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/twitter-censorship-policy-global-outrage_n_1238188.html > > > > Trending topics: > > > > > > http://blog.tweetsmarter.com/twitter-rules/twitter-admits-editing-offensive-trending-topics-plans-more/ > > > > Or not: > > > > > > http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/01/27/twitter-isnt-censoring-you-your-government-is/ > > > > There was also this case of Twitter blocking an account with pro-Nazi > > sentiment: > > > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57534798-93/report-twitter-bans-german-group-for-hate-speech/ > > > > Even if Twitter did 'censor' tweets/accounts etc, we can hardly get all > > that > > upset about it (although it should be in the TOS). > > > > It's that sort of in-the-box thinking that allows so many to just sit back > and watch Facebook et al take over the online public sphere, changing the > norms of how we interact, what we say, etc. Just because it's not > government censorship doesn't mean we oughtn't fight against it.
I'm not at all saying that we shouldn't fight it but we need to be clear about the terms of the challenge and our expectations. In doing so we strengthen our position, rather than just fighting symptoms. It's my belief that we need to get in there early and educate people that these services, marketed heavily as 'gifts' or as free services, come with distinct threats to civil liberties, distinct techno-political challenges. I would say we are better to /expect/ that they will breach basic rights rather than be surprised when they do, as if the last few years of abuses online hasn't given us enough cues there. I often hear people likening Facebook and Twitter to The Commons, a public property like air or language. This is a remarkably powerful position for a company to be in and we need to remind each other that such companies are not /necessarily/ working at all in the Public interest. These are private for-profit businesses and we need to develop the same healthy level of suspicion and vigilance in our dealings with them as we would any other. Cheers, -- Julian Oliver http://julianoliver.com http://criticalengineering.org > > > > ..on Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:47:31AM -0800, Brian Conley wrote: > > > John, > > > > > > So am I mistaken that Twitter "blocks" (and by blocks I mean does not > > allow > > > to be visible) certain content in certain countries, in accordance with > > > local regulation? > > > > > > I'm not saying its right or wrong, but unless I'm mistaken about this, > > its > > > a bit melodramatic to get on your high horse about the "lack if > > censorship > > > or mediation" of tweets, which, if twitter filters tweets based on > > location > > > is just prima facie untrue. > > > > > > I happen to completely understand why twitter does this and believe the > > > ability to "change your set location" in order to avoid the filtering is > > a > > > good workaround. That said, no need to be rude, dramatic, or misleading. > > > > > > Brian > > > On Dec 15, 2012 4:38 AM, "John Adams" <j...@retina.net> wrote: > > > > > > > I work there. Read the damn TOS. Twitter -does not- censor or meditate > > > > content. > > > > > > > > https://support.twitter.com/articles/15794-abusive-behavior > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311-the-twitter-rules > > > > > > > > It's a serious affront to all the work we've done to enable people to > > > > freely communicate, and the number of times that we've gone to bat for > > > > users, to make posts like these. > > > > > > > > -john > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Griffin Boyce <griffinbo...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > > > > > >> Have you tried contacting twitter support directly? In the first > > > >> instance, it's likely that you were reported by someone who saw it > > and took > > > >> offense to it. > > > >> > > > >> As for having tweets reported for spam, it could have been a > > competitor > > > >> (and that type of reporting is easy to automate). But the Twitter spam > > > >> algorithm could also have interpreted the [short tweet length + link + > > > >> popular hashtag] as being spam. > > > >> > > > >> From a merchant perspective, we kind of operate at her majesty's > > > >> pleasure. By that I mean that social networks make the rules, > > enforce them > > > >> (or not), and our only real recourse is to move to another, less > > populated > > > >> social network. I'd recommend talking to twitter support before > > totally > > > >> writing it off, but you might not get a resolution for the reasons > > > >> mentioned above. > > > >> > > > >> Best, > > > >> Griffin Boyce > > > >> @abditum > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Uncle Zzzen <unclezz...@gmail.com > > >wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Warning for the politically-correct: this message contains the > > N-word. 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