Thanks Mark, interesting. Was this recently?
All the best,
Heather Marsh
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On 13-03-17 2:18 PM, Mark Belinsky wrote:
In my work with the Rohingya and research into communications systems
in Arakan state in the Western portion of the country, it was notable
that there was data coverage spilling over from neighboring Bangladesh
and people were using these towers to transmit information across
borders.
All the best,
Mark
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:49 PM, ttscanada <ttscan...@riseup.net
<mailto:ttscan...@riseup.net>> wrote:
Very good points, thanks, Jake. We were thinking more of phones
since it appears they are more paranoid of cameras than phones,
but you have a very good point, phones are more easily controlled.
Rethinking.
All the best,
Heather Marsh
@GeorgieBC on Twitter
On 13-03-17 1:25 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
ttscanada:
Hi Jacob,
Yes, exactly to the security issues, which is why we have
tried nothing
to date, any Rohingya caught with anything like a camera
or radio is
tortured and killed. Ease of use is also paramount, there
is no point
risking lives to get a phone in that no one can use. We are
unfortunately at final wipeout stage and the people there
are agreed
that the risk of being killed is 100% with or without
phones. I don't
know of anything except satellite phones they could use to
document. The
military is definitely paranoid of cameras, phones and
outsiders atm.
The situation in every refugee camp outside Burma is also
awful, but
still not at the stage where it is worth risking lives. We
have managed
to get some pictures (like of Rakhine flyers announcing
the next
massacre) but almost nothing out of Sittwe. There is
plenty that needs
documenting in the surrounding areas though.
In any case, they know they will die, they don't want to
die without a
trace. I am slightly more optimistic that if we get some
pictures out
some of them won't die at all, we have it from good
sources that the
government is already very annoyed at the small publicity
we have
created and worried at the war crimes documentation. The
government's
official position is that the Rohingya don't actually
exist, or if they
did they just left.
The situation with the Rohingya is heart breaking. :(
If it is possible, I would suggest trying to bring cameras
like the GoPro:
http://gopro.com/
They're not easy or cheap in that part of the world. They are
certainly
easier to pass on, harder to detect and have a quality that is
rarely
available to any phone camera. Obviously, any camera is better
than no
camera for documenting but those are generally weather proofed for
serious use.
It seems like physical smuggling or geo-caching of the data
would be
much safer than a sat phone that can be *tracked* and *jammed*
simultaneously. At least with geo-caching, one could pass
along the
coordinates for evidence later and then perhaps at a later
date, we will
have the evidence stored, found and released.
As far as physical smuggling, I suspect that people would need to
swallow the media cards or to sew them into clothing. That
would allow
the cameras to stay in the area but for the data to trickle out.
I wish that there was more that I could offer but areas with the
Rohingya is very hard to reach. If there is information that
you would
like to discuss more privately, I welcome contact with GnuPG
or with OTR
off list.
If you are able to get the data to a major city, I think that
physical
transport *of a copy* will be your best bet for getting the
data out
quickly.
All the best,
Jacob
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