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I left the other wonderful people out: ZTE and their monitoring centre (shown in pictures from Libya), and of course Huawei. Just to give a good global representation. On 6 Apr 2013, at 15:41, Jillian C. York wrote: > Honestly? Because there is ample evidence to support it at the moment. I > would also suggest that it's only "singled out" in the US - in Europe, the > focus right now is on Gamma (FinFisher) and Amesys, largely. > > Activists have been accused in the past of "singling out" Cisco as well. > Attention has now turned to Bluecoat. When there is evidence of another > company's misdeeds, attention will surely turn there. > > Is that sufficient logic for you? > > On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Bernard Tyers - ei8fdb <ei8...@ei8fdb.org> > wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi, > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and can't find a logical reason. > Possibly I'm not thinking about it hard enough. > > I'm curious as to why Bluecoat seem to be singled out for all this attention > regarding use in countries where the governments are "not nice"? Is it > because they are a public, well known company? A lot the same stories repeat > the same stories of Bluecoat equipment being used in the same oppressive > regimes. > > As someone who worked in ISP level infrastructure for a while (thankfully no > longer), I've seen the equipment used "for neutral uses" - network > management, etc. > > However, there are a lot more sinister and disgusting companies who's > products *sole-purpose* is surveillance and censorship, and sole market is > those oppressive countries we talk about on this list. > > My point of view is not to defend Bluecoat, quite the opposite, but there are > nastier and uglier fish out there. > > Can anyone set me right, or give an opinion? On or off list is fine. > > thanks, > Bernard > > - -------------------------------------- > Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb > > IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRX+/0AAoJENsz1IO7MIrrMQcH/1vOMQvty80EZkCGcqbXiT9t > SI0o9OOU+wn3Am5ERwDfXlcXy+V/28vbXxPvbhRtjIukF1X94fgJ95+ODn2dOY6g > B4wnOmLzvDT8HovPhf1zH4Dkot3N50Rkt4V4k29163EYVPgLkkuRrPgU6HGwB9IH > dVW54KNXnZX3sXFsYle0j8rayI1tgPWpesPpWCe/J5pI+ljLTFbLEJ+Ytz6rPbqu > y4c/Irjknh8NCVr1LLaGnTkeZQstv5oWZErRrv0bl9Qkm737PAkUCmhTjvBoJw7+ > kJ9b7lFjJ2h9TRdw54RwTomRrhe4yYmPYlWnSyy4k6d6PK1B7bjKdUT89xjn4jY= > =PYRZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > > > -- > US: +1-857-891-4244 | NL: +31-657086088 > site: jilliancyork.com | twitter: @jilliancyork > > "We must not be afraid of dreaming the seemingly impossible if we want the > seemingly impossible to become a reality" - Vaclav Havel > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech - -------------------------------------- Bernard / bluboxthief / ei8fdb IO91XM / www.ei8fdb.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRYGNVAAoJENsz1IO7MIrrsT8H/2ZcRr+vWXVYpbFjGVBxiGh1 Ywpmpd9h0Fnhp0lXqIRav8Op3EGFNkz8iT6Iaf0R/gjIYZnw+SWfw2E9BMbljyN3 1At+X6PllrUkbkomwJvJnaIri+xC3F7C2IZfeQlbefAm3h5LUwClpCzI6UFuJkLV wZKPvb74VOkrddhxsUsPkqFq7B1J0x43FYpPlF3OaRJ6beWHlDuBrc+350zFMw28 EajxjtTE1GApETOkzsQePT1R9nsAlpeM/4MEjErcQcct289U7owdf+WDHKO0koj0 1wqtq6M64jX8k1aw1Buw1i4ukhz9DrTtc9IK44xdcLsrkPFSym7H3CCjrmiIwng= =jhqN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
