That, and civil disobedience รก la Lavabit. /P
On 09 September, 2013 - Matt Johnson wrote: > All of the sneaky signs, email headers and web page badges assume the > FBI, or whoever the adversary is are incompetent or inept. That does > not see like a safe assumption to me. The only prudent approach is to > assume your adversary is intelligent and competent. > > My guess is that the only defense against NSL's and the like is > through policy. I realize that may be blasphemy on this list, but > there it is. > > -- > Matt Johnson > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, LISTS <li...@robertwgehl.org> wrote: > > What are the legal precedents in terms of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge, > > djaknowhatimean?" > > > > - Rob Gehl > > > > > > On 09/09/2013 02:24 PM, Shava Nerad wrote: > > > > You are awesome,clever, and full of tricks. :) Should I credit you with > > this? > > > > yrs, > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Case Black <casebl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> There's a more subtle variant to this idea... > >> > >> Regularly state ("put up a sign") that you HAVE in fact received an > >> NSL...with the public understanding that it must be a lie (there's no law > >> against falsely making such a claim...yet!). > >> > >> When actually served with an NSL, you would now be bound by law to remove > >> any such notification...thereby signaling the event. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Case > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 1:24 PM, LISTS <li...@robertwgehl.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I wonder if there's a false analogy here. Hypothetically, the > >>> librarian's sign could fall down (maybe the wind blew it over) whereas a > >>> notice on a site would have to be removed via coding. There would be > >>> little other explanation, even in the case where one does not > >>> affirmatively renew the "dead man's notice" (the countdown that Doctorow > >>> suggests in the article). Such an affirmative act might lead a court to > >>> believe that one has indeed informed the public about an NSL. > >>> > >>> - Rob Gehl > >>> > >>> > >>> On 09/09/2013 12:18 PM, Dan Staples wrote: > >>> > Presumably, if this type of approach became widely adopted, it would be > >>> > a useful service for an independent group to monitor the status of > >>> > these > >>> > notices and periodically publish a report of which companies had > >>> > removed > >>> > their notice. > >>> > > >>> > On 09/09/2013 12:52 PM, Scott Arciszewski wrote: > >>> >> Forgot the URL: > >>> >> > >>> >> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/09/nsa-sabotage-dead-mans-switch > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Scott Arciszewski > >>> >> <kobrasre...@gmail.com <mailto:kobrasre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Hello, > >>> >> > >>> >> I saw this article on The Guardian[1] and it mentioned a librarian > >>> >> who posted a sign that looked like this: > >>> >> http://www.librarian.net/pics/antipat4.gif and would remove it if > >>> >> visited by the FBI. So a naive question comes to mind: If I > >>> >> operated > >>> >> an internet service, and I posted a thing that says "We have not > >>> >> received a request to spy on our users. Watch closely for the > >>> >> removal of this text," what legal risk would be incurred? > >>> >> > >>> >> If the answer is "None" or "Very little", what's stopping people > >>> >> from doing this? > >>> >> > >>> >> Thanks, > >>> >> Scott > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Liberationtech is a public list whose archives are searchable on Google. > >>> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: > >>> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. 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