That is a great point and I'll send a short review with links later today. Take care, Joe
On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 00:25 Yosem Companys <ycompa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Joe, > > No offense taken. But as an expert on this subject, you should suggest > some resources that list subscribers should read so they may be able to > sift through the media sensationalism. > > We're all experts at certain things and amateurs at others. Unfortunately, > we all don't have time to do extensive research on every topic that affects > our world. That's why we have intellectual communities of experts to > enlighten us. > > My understanding from having read a number of studies on voting machines > is that they're closed source, outdated, and riddled with vulnerabilities. > If that is true, then wouldn't a world that decided to use only voting > machines increase the likelihood of malicious hacking influencing voter > outcomes? I don't see how such a scenario doesn't jeopardize fair elections. > > I'm not saying that voting machines are better or worse than pen and paper > or punch ballots. God knows that there was a time in this country when > there were no secret ballots and political henchmen would beat you up for > not voting "appropriately." Such scenarios also jeopardized fair elections > and were outlawed thanks to the progressive movement. > > Thanks, > Yosem > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall <j...@cdt.org> wrote: > >> I'm quoted in the Zetter article, did my PhD at Berkeley hacking voting >> machines, have been working on this for fifteen years and this thread is >> already ridiculous after just two posts. >> >> Please take the opportunity to do your homework before thinking any of >> what you've written below is true. >> >> I know it sounds snarky for me to respond like I'm about to but Matt >> Blaze summed it up well today with this: >> >> https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1019671716119896064?s=21 >> >> "I should have realized that our decades of focused experience working on >> this exact problem would be no match for your gut reaction after reading >> about it on the Internet. Why didn't you tell us sooner?" >> >> I'm usually not this pointy, so I'll apologize now. Best wishes, Joe >> >> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 21:36 Douglas Lucas <d...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >>> A crucial topic, thanks for posting Yosem. There's no reason to expect >>> one's vote in the United States counts, given our corporate, >>> proprietary, closed-source computerized voting. The standard should be >>> paper ballots handcounted in public, as in Germany >>> >>> https://www.dw.com/en/german-election-volunteers-organize-the-voting-and-count-the-ballots/a-40562388 >>> and Netherlands >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/netherlands-hacking-concerns-hand-count-ballots.html >>> >>> One would expect the transparency, free/open source software movement >>> nonprofits to be all over this topic, but it's typically crickets, I >>> guess because it's seen as loony bin third rail stuff. Good books to >>> read on the subject -- which include recommendations for action -- >>> include Bev Harris' BlackBoxVoting.org and Jonathan D. Simon's >>> codered2014.com/ (the books basically have the same titles as the >>> websites). >>> >>> Douglas >>> >>> On 07/18/18 13:58, Yosem Companys wrote: >>> > Seems like an issue that goes to the heart of democracy and its >>> > survival in the 21st century: >>> > >>> > >>> https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/mb4ezy/top-voting-machine-vendor-admits-it-installed-remote-access-software-on-systems-sold-to-states >>> > >>> -- >>> Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. 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