On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 12:38 -0700, Frank Gilliland wrote: 
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 00:21:51 -0700, Frank Reichert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> <snip>
> >The point in all of this is that 'People' should be the ones to
> >make their own choices,.....
> 
> 
> I agree. And along those lines, the solution is simple: a dual-mode
> healthcare system. There's no reason why a government-run socialized
> healthcare system can't co-exist with a free-market system.

Yes, there is. Multiple reasons, actually.

1. The government system takes money away from the would-be consumers
2. The government can (and does) make participation mandatory
3. The government can, and does, make rules that benefit it's "service"
while inhibiting the development of competing services
4. The government (currently) licenses the would-be competitors.




>  The problem is  that the lines between them are undefined, hence the
>  conflict. Just  like two countries sharing an undefined border. If
>  both the people and  the government can look beyond the stigma
>  attached to the term  "socialism" then maybe both will realize that
>  the ideology can be  adopted for its beneficial characteristics
>  -without- threatening  capitalism. This applies to education as well.
>  IMHO.

Well, your HO is contradicted by fact. Indeed, the "education" sector
demonstrates the problem with your thesis dramatically. Here, the
requirements placed on private schools that public schools do not have
to deal with are glaring. When one "competitor" can make all the rules
and force everyone else to bend to them (via force of government/law),
there is no free market, and thus the two are as incompatible as oil and
heavy water, if not more so since one destroys the other.

Curious that you use the term socialism out of context while complaining
people need to use it properly. Voluntary socialism between small groups
without force of government has a chance at working for said small
groups. Socialism as used by *any* government will not work, and can not
work. No stigma needed. If it's broke, it's broke. And Socialism via
government mandate/involvement is exactly that: broke.

Cheers,
Bill

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