https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161441
--- Comment #15 from Telesto <tele...@surfxs.nl> --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #14) > (In reply to Telesto from comment #0) > > UI: Hard to tell which side of a shape being used for as reference for > > rotation > > Are you sure that is exactly the problem? See below You're right, this isn't the core problem. FWIW: when reporting an it's always flipping between reporting a 'solution' with a description of the problem. Or more a description of experience without clear cut answer to the solution (and sometimes even real clue why the experience being off) > > > This rather common experience, IMHO. Lets assume some - like me - re-using a > > shape (by copy paste) initially drawn say vertically but used horizontally. > > The horizontal shape will have 90 degree angle. Really counter intuitive > In itself, this is not counter-intuitive to me, nor does it matter. At the same time: Yes, you right and No, it does matter. Yes, you are right: It doesn't matter as long I can archive my goal. It would have gone unnoticed if I used the WYSWING rotation mode .uno:ClickChangeRotation. However I struggled to realize it exists (Draw/Impress have it; Writer does not) and properly accessing it (see bug 161500). So I did look at sidebar -> rotation. With the experience that a visually similar oriented shape (rectangle) can have a 0 degree rotation or 90 degree (compare green rectangle and red rectangle in attachment 194623). Also if you rotate the green rectangle 90 degree (right). Having 2 shapes with same rotation degree set delivering a different result > problem, I would say, is with the ffect you mentioned earlier: > > > the negative or positive rotation doesn't matter, until you you add > > text to a shape > > So, I would say that the meaningful issue you're pointing out is that, on > one hand, the shapes looks the same, but on the other hand, they have > significantly different behaviors. Yes > What other behavior distinguishes the shapes other than the text block? The rotation seen in the sidebar/dialogs. > Because, for the text block, one could argue that once you "enter" the > block, you see a rectangular frame for the text block itself, that lets you > know what you can expect when typing. Please explain why that is not good > enough. > > Opposite happens to: copy/paste of horizontal shape rotation to vertical. > > So horizontal shape getting angle of 90, which feels natural (to me) > > I didn't understand this sentence. Nor your definition of a "horizontal > shape". Do you mean a 2D shape for which the page-horizontal extent is > larger than the page-vertical extent? > > > A) Use one angle as basepoint (say horizontal). So vertically drawn object > > is has automatically a 90 degree angle. No clue if this being workable > > Don't quite get this either. You seem to have defined a "vertical shape" and > a "horizontal shape", but what does it mean to be "vertically drawn"? I sometimes have hard time expressing myself; sorry. I hope the illustration given based on attachment 194623 helps > > > B) Some visual indicator on the shape itself marking where the top side of > > the shape is; improving the UI feedback > > How would this be useful other than for knowing how the text area behaves? Well it's suboptimal solution, IMHO. The core issue: the experience that a visually similar oriented shape (rectangle) can have a 0 degree angle or 90 degree angle. And follow-up on that the adjusting the angle becomes math. Rotate the green shape (with text) (attachment 194623) 45 degree. Now rotate the red shape (with text), to match the green shape. I have to really think/or use the try and error mode to conclude:315 / 135 degree. Normally I mindlessly adjust to the same value (45 degree). Also notice that the label text is hard to read. So you want to adjust that (already an additional step I didn't intend to do). To conclude: there is no way to adjust the label orientation (as far I can tell). So no need to redo you work by re-draw the rectangle, I suppose. A (simple) rotating action which I normally perceive as something done mindlessly becomes mind numbing, time consuming frustrating activity. The application working against me (in my perception). And no it's hard to draw a rectangle with a 90 degree rotation -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
