Hi There, On 11/25/2015 02:04 PM, m.a.riosv wrote: > BTW would be nice listen from the candidates their opinion about concrete > matters like this one.
I would be surprised if there was any deviation for any of the candidates - we've discussed this at length on the Board. Hell I just brought it up today (saying it came up again in QA) and well, there was unanimous consensus and hopefully one of the developers will write a nice blog post about this issue to put it to rest once and for all. Telling others what to do is not how we work. We have a strong culture of "the doers decide" and the "doers" stick with what they "do" - thus again, I really do think there is a solution here. If QA members just bisected each regression (fully bisect) and prioritized correctly I *honestly* believe that the regression count would fall. I don't understand why this point is being ignored as it's literally *completely* in our control. Anywho, I like the spirited conversation I just don't see any actionable item. I suggested that Pedro go track down developers to agree with him but he quickly dismissed that (because he couldn't convince me?) and asked Robinson or someone else to do the work of bringing up to the ESC. The ESC has also talked about this at length and rejected it (on several occasions). I've spoken with many of the developers who join the ESC and all of them reject this concept of QA dictating what they do, or that there should be any quasi-dictating by having "fix builds" or the like. But again, it's not outside of any of your powers to broach the subject yourselves on the dev list and pitch *concrete actionable ideas*. At the same time, I highly encourage thinking about compromise positions - which I think I have actually given a good compromise. If we can go to the ESC and say "look our QA team is frantically doing *comprehensive triaging* and bisecting each and every regression, can you take over now? That seems like a more positive way to move things forward. Best, Joel _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/