in fact we must make new tipe from Marks to free names :-) 2015-04-17 13:16 جرينتش-07:00, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES <[email protected]>: > Something should be possible like > https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en but for LibreMark > :-) > > Plato have explain the importance of the words ... Plato was not a fool. > > Regards > > > Ali Abdul Ghani <[email protected]> writes: > >> if some people make trademark to this names >> >> Aaron Wolf >> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES >> rms >> ali >> rose >> bull >> what should we do? >> lol >> in fact There is no clear law to use names in trademark >> English language like Software it must be free >> >> Regards >> >> 2015-04-17 9:52 جرينتش-07:00, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: >>> That link says it is expired. Anyway, I searched for "god" and >>> "freedom". I see no trademarks on those words. Nor can they be >>> trademarked. They can only be used in specific terms like "Freedom >>> Juice" and "Freedom Studios" and "Freedom Tower". >>> >>> The simple fact that there are 4980 results for "freedom" show that >>> nobody controls the simple word "freedom". >>> >>> Regardless, if you find bad trademark examples, that's no different from >>> other laws being used badly. I'm sure some trademarks get through that >>> should have been rejected and might be judged invalid if taken to >>> court. >>> >>> On 04/17/2015 09:42 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: >>>> the official uspto search engine >>>> >>>> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=4809:eeiwnn.1.1 >>>> >>>> have fun and don't cry >>>> >>>> Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> writes: >>>> >>>>> Citations? Who has trademarked those words? I don't believe you that >>>>> anyone has gotten legal trademark of those. >>>>> >>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:33 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: >>>>>> Normal words cannot be trademark you say ... some people have >>>>>> trademark >>>>>> god christ freedom free ... >>>>>> >>>>>> The "normality" is what is not for some others ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> writes: >>>>>> >>>>>>> One clarification: To say simply: While Trademark is important, Git >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> *abusing* their trademark by not simply accept GitBull quickly. The >>>>>>> situation is stupid. Git had *no* reason to stop a Kallithea host >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> using a Git name, and trademark law should not give them that level >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> power. If a service is fully and completely using Git software and >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> nothing that misrepresents their relationship to Git, they should be >>>>>>> accepted. However, Git *should* have the ability to complain and >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>> the service from using the name if they start doing anything that >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> be confused. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think instead of stopping the use of the name, Git should simply >>>>>>> require a statement like "This service uses Git software but is not >>>>>>> officially connected to the Git project or endorsed by the Git >>>>>>> project." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:13 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks for the news. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please learn more about trademark though. Trademark is NOT owning >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> word. Normal words cannot be trademarked, and trademark isn't full >>>>>>>> ownership of words. The Git project does not own the word "Git" if >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> were used for something like a brand of ice cream. They do not own >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> word in terms of people talking about the Git project. The do not >>>>>>>> control it completely. They have exclusive control over only a >>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>> area: the use of the word Git for *products* and *services* that >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the area where people could confuse them for being official Git >>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>> or services. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In other words, trademark is a *consumer protection*. It helps make >>>>>>>> sure >>>>>>>> that the public are not tricked into thinking something is an >>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>> version or officially endorsed part of something when it is not. >>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>> does not make anyone a slave. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By complaining to you, Git was saying: "We don't know that we fully >>>>>>>> endorse your GitBull service, and we are worried that the public >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> think your service has official connection to the Git project. So, >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> want to restrict the name Git here because we want people to know >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> if they see Git in the name of something similar to or related to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Git project that it isn't a fake thing or a trick or something." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, *I* think it is wrong for Git to do anything other than >>>>>>>> realize >>>>>>>> that GitBull was fine. But I do *not* think they should have no >>>>>>>> trademark. I do *not* want someone else less responsible than you >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> make Git-something that actually uses Git badly or pretends to be >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> Git when it is actually not Git software but something similar but >>>>>>>> different. That might make people have bad experience and think >>>>>>>> badly >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> Git. Trademark is GOOD for the public, which is not true for >>>>>>>> patents >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> copyright. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 02:02 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Coders! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So ... on start this thread wake up with Alimiracle who request >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> support for fully free solution for his codes host. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is right that many solution already exist, but they are not all >>>>>>>>> completly free or try to be, but are not. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We try on our side to make this place a reality, which represent >>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>> trouble, but, find the way with kallithea. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At first we have used the name gitbull, git for the tool ... bull >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> the horns of the gnu beast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But freedom is not the same in the mind of every humans. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Software Freedom Conservancy ping me (very correctly) but ping >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> the fact we use the term git and the point that git is trademark. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That make me discover that many things are trademark and by the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> ping >>>>>>>>> LibrePlanet to act on LibreMark. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We can't own a name, because to make it short if i own the name >>>>>>>>> earth >>>>>>>>> you are all my slave. If I own the name fire, your ass will freeze >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A bit strong form of explanation, but simple enought to say that >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> not because you own a word that in front the reality of this know >>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>> of the bubble universes where we live it is the reality. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You don't own anything, but yes you can use the force to jail me. >>>>>>>>> Very >>>>>>>>> human and in human by the way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We push all our things to https://bull.codes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and continue to make the things free as in freedom and price. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I understand that this last point is very difficult for some >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> understand, but if you think of this planet 7000 years before >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> no money and things were not so bad. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe money is the chain of slavery you just don't have ping in >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> mind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Welcome to our Free Coding Community, Welcome to Bull Codes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://bull.codes >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> > > -- > Aurélien Desbrières > > Bull.Codes - Community Coding > Hackers.Camp - OutDoor Hacktivities > Hackers-Lab.org - Free Software & Mechatronics Laboratory >
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