Could somebody take me off this panlist? Thank you! On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 4:46 PM Ali Abdul Ghani <[email protected]> wrote:
> in fact we must make new tipe from Marks > to free names > :-) > > 2015-04-17 13:16 جرينتش-07:00, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES <[email protected] > >: > > Something should be possible like > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__creativecommons.org_licenses_by-2Dsa_4.0_deed.en&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=6icblrTf_puw-zIBh09L5_5cxuKQgI4NqxPymke0EKU&e= > but for LibreMark > > :-) > > > > Plato have explain the importance of the words ... Plato was not a fool. > > > > Regards > > > > > > Ali Abdul Ghani <[email protected]> writes: > > > >> if some people make trademark to this names > >> > >> Aaron Wolf > >> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES > >> rms > >> ali > >> rose > >> bull > >> what should we do? > >> lol > >> in fact There is no clear law to use names in trademark > >> English language like Software it must be free > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> 2015-04-17 9:52 جرينتش-07:00, Aaron Wolf <[email protected]>: > >>> That link says it is expired. Anyway, I searched for "god" and > >>> "freedom". I see no trademarks on those words. Nor can they be > >>> trademarked. They can only be used in specific terms like "Freedom > >>> Juice" and "Freedom Studios" and "Freedom Tower". > >>> > >>> The simple fact that there are 4980 results for "freedom" show that > >>> nobody controls the simple word "freedom". > >>> > >>> Regardless, if you find bad trademark examples, that's no different > from > >>> other laws being used badly. I'm sure some trademarks get through that > >>> should have been rejected and might be judged invalid if taken to > >>> court. > >>> > >>> On 04/17/2015 09:42 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: > >>>> the official uspto search engine > >>>> > >>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_gate.exe-3Ff-3Dsearchss-26state-3D4809-3Aeeiwnn.1.1&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=qBWgYBfBgeUlHH0CgOmb6V3Azs7bWrRaVWAF5LR3X8o&e= > >>>> > >>>> have fun and don't cry > >>>> > >>>> Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> writes: > >>>> > >>>>> Citations? Who has trademarked those words? I don't believe you that > >>>>> anyone has gotten legal trademark of those. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:33 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: > >>>>>> Normal words cannot be trademark you say ... some people have > >>>>>> trademark > >>>>>> god christ freedom free ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The "normality" is what is not for some others ... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Aaron Wolf <[email protected]> writes: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> One clarification: To say simply: While Trademark is important, Git > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> *abusing* their trademark by not simply accept GitBull quickly. The > >>>>>>> situation is stupid. Git had *no* reason to stop a Kallithea host > >>>>>>> from > >>>>>>> using a Git name, and trademark law should not give them that level > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> power. If a service is fully and completely using Git software and > >>>>>>> doing > >>>>>>> nothing that misrepresents their relationship to Git, they should > be > >>>>>>> accepted. However, Git *should* have the ability to complain and > >>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>> the service from using the name if they start doing anything that > >>>>>>> could > >>>>>>> be confused. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think instead of stopping the use of the name, Git should simply > >>>>>>> require a statement like "This service uses Git software but is not > >>>>>>> officially connected to the Git project or endorsed by the Git > >>>>>>> project." > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 09:13 AM, Aaron Wolf wrote: > >>>>>>>> Thanks for the news. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Please learn more about trademark though. Trademark is NOT owning > >>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>> word. Normal words cannot be trademarked, and trademark isn't full > >>>>>>>> ownership of words. The Git project does not own the word "Git" if > >>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> were used for something like a brand of ice cream. They do not own > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> word in terms of people talking about the Git project. The do not > >>>>>>>> control it completely. They have exclusive control over only a > >>>>>>>> small > >>>>>>>> area: the use of the word Git for *products* and *services* that > >>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the area where people could confuse them for being official Git > >>>>>>>> products > >>>>>>>> or services. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In other words, trademark is a *consumer protection*. It helps > make > >>>>>>>> sure > >>>>>>>> that the public are not tricked into thinking something is an > >>>>>>>> official > >>>>>>>> version or officially endorsed part of something when it is not. > >>>>>>>> This > >>>>>>>> does not make anyone a slave. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> By complaining to you, Git was saying: "We don't know that we > fully > >>>>>>>> endorse your GitBull service, and we are worried that the public > >>>>>>>> may > >>>>>>>> think your service has official connection to the Git project. So, > >>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>> want to restrict the name Git here because we want people to know > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> if they see Git in the name of something similar to or related to > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Git project that it isn't a fake thing or a trick or something." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now, *I* think it is wrong for Git to do anything other than > >>>>>>>> realize > >>>>>>>> that GitBull was fine. But I do *not* think they should have no > >>>>>>>> trademark. I do *not* want someone else less responsible than you > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> make Git-something that actually uses Git badly or pretends to be > >>>>>>>> like > >>>>>>>> Git when it is actually not Git software but something similar but > >>>>>>>> different. That might make people have bad experience and think > >>>>>>>> badly > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> Git. Trademark is GOOD for the public, which is not true for > >>>>>>>> patents > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> copyright. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 04/17/2015 02:02 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Coders! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So ... on start this thread wake up with Alimiracle who request > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> support for fully free solution for his codes host. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It is right that many solution already exist, but they are not > all > >>>>>>>>> completly free or try to be, but are not. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We try on our side to make this place a reality, which represent > >>>>>>>>> many > >>>>>>>>> trouble, but, find the way with kallithea. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> At first we have used the name gitbull, git for the tool ... bull > >>>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>>> the horns of the gnu beast. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> But freedom is not the same in the mind of every humans. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Software Freedom Conservancy ping me (very correctly) but > ping > >>>>>>>>> me > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>> the fact we use the term git and the point that git is trademark. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> That make me discover that many things are trademark and by the > >>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>> ping > >>>>>>>>> LibrePlanet to act on LibreMark. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We can't own a name, because to make it short if i own the name > >>>>>>>>> earth > >>>>>>>>> you are all my slave. If I own the name fire, your ass will > freeze > >>>>>>>>> ... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A bit strong form of explanation, but simple enought to say that > >>>>>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> not because you own a word that in front the reality of this know > >>>>>>>>> part > >>>>>>>>> of the bubble universes where we live it is the reality. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> You don't own anything, but yes you can use the force to jail me. > >>>>>>>>> Very > >>>>>>>>> human and in human by the way. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We push all our things to > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bull.codes&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=5q3J4Cvx3xfi6RVoTiPo_wUNXAH3-RVyYiwTSP3O0Pg&e= > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> and continue to make the things free as in freedom and price. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I understand that this last point is very difficult for some > >>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> understand, but if you think of this planet 7000 years before > >>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>> were > >>>>>>>>> no money and things were not so bad. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe money is the chain of slavery you just don't have ping in > >>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>> mind. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Welcome to our Free Coding Community, Welcome to Bull Codes > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__bull.codes&d=AwIFaQ&c=-dg2m7zWuuDZ0MUcV7Sdqw&r=aooPgTecO_tIgJ2nx4taSTgcuX0q9Ygd11IDpo9UZU0&m=gW79XO1FX2OKKxVz6jV0QpFqTPP2zKZWCNOPbWuDyfU&s=5q3J4Cvx3xfi6RVoTiPo_wUNXAH3-RVyYiwTSP3O0Pg&e= > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> > > > > -- > > Aurélien Desbrières > > > > Bull.Codes - Community Coding > > Hackers.Camp - OutDoor Hacktivities > > Hackers-Lab.org - Free Software & Mechatronics Laboratory > > > > > -- > Think not of them, thou hast thy music too > >
