On 12/01/17 17:37, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Daniel Pocock <dan...@pocock.pro> wrote: >> >> >> On 12/01/17 15:22, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: >>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Fabián Rodríguez >>> <magic...@member.fsf.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/01/17 03:12 AM, Catonano wrote: >>>>> Today, january 12, only 454 pledges have been made to the Talos proect >>>>> crowdunding campaign page. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/raptor-computing-systems/talos-secure-workstation >>>>> >>>>> This is not just a missed target. This is something more, as if there >>>>> was a reection of the proect. >>>>> >>>>> The freedom sensble community is small, yes, but not this small. >>>>> >>>>> What's going on ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'll share my impressions since you asked: >>>> >>>> * Give $10 or $250 - no options in-between >>>> * No T-shirts, no stickers >>>> * 6 months shared SSH-access for 250$? >>>> * Absurd amount of information to digest in every update (even for me) >>>> >>>> Setting up a smaller goal, usable rewards and easier-to-digest updates >>>> would have helped a lot. Now this only looks like another failed >>>> out-of-touch-with-reality project. >>>> >>>> As it is, I didn't even contribute $10 as I had the distinct impression >>>> the project would fail. How can I ever advocate this? >>> >>> You were convinced they would fail if they got funding? Or convinced >>> they would fail to get their desired funding? >>> >>>> >>>> I have given / donated generously to many Free software projects and >>>> organizations (including the FSF) and have often convinced others to do >>>> so (even refering new people to join >>>> http://www.fsf.org/associate/referrers/referrerlist ) but honestly Talos >>>> was outside of anything I could refer, in any way. >>> >>> I really wanted Talos to succeed, but I think the core issue is the >>> pieces were just too expensive $3700 just for a mainboard not >>> including the CPU. >>> >> >> They probably need to try and offer similar pricing to other high-end >> workstations such as HP Z series. >> >> >> >>> They raised over twice as the EOMA68 project which was also freedom >>> respecting. (https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop). >>> >>> $3.7 million was just too big of a target. >>> >> >> >> Not necessarily - to raise significant sums like that, projects may need >> to plan some pitches to larger institutions and not simply rely on >> anonymous private donors to spontaneously materialize. > > I guess that's true. I wonder if part of the problem is the market > for high performance workstations like the HP Z you mentioned doesn't > really overlap with the highly privacy conscious, freedom/privacy > concerned crowd. >
It is a question of requirements As a developer, a powerful CPU and lots of memory is useful for me as I can compile large projects more quickly or perform more complicated database queries in real-time. For a privacy-conscious user who wants to browse the web with Tor, any workstation (Talos, HP, or whatever) is overkill. Regards, Daniel