* thi...@softwarelivre.net.br <thi...@softwarelivre.net.br> [2020-11-20 19:46]: > Hey there! > > Although I do support this kind of initiative (of new Libreboot laptop > stores), and I am a supporter of libreboot / coreboot as well as Free > Libre / Open Source Hardware, I would like to ask you all here: > > Couldn't we have more popular prices? What do we have to do to boost > more popular projects?
Here I am, European in Uganda, writing from Kampala, and I can say that cheapest price for T400 here is about 400,000 Ugandan shillings which is equivalent to some US $110 and not even close to the good configuration that is offered on retrofreedom.com Normally one needs better battery, how many batteries are delivered with retrofreedom.com? Those laptops that cost US $110 are simply used and not refurbished. Unspoken from fact that their BIOS is non-free and they do not have just any guarantee (maybe 1 day guarantee). Retrofreedom.com how I see it offer 2 years guarantee. £398 for T400 delivered from UK, with 2 years guarantee with free technical support via email, and a 2 year warranty for all products, with two 2 batteries is what we say in Germany ein echter Schnäpchen oder really good deal! > > I mean, it's awesome the new store, but after opening it, I felt the > same disappointment from before. I still wait for more popular & fair > options. Who can & will pay for a retro with such prices? I can't, so > seeing such stores feels like a distant dream. Retrofreedom.com offers service as laptops are refurbished with free BIOS. It is quite possible for you to purchase somewhere same type of laptop and liberate BIOS yourself. That also takes time, effort and time and effort is value equivalent to money. You may wait long time until you get the right product. I have T400 with me here, and T410 as well. But none of them is liberated as I am in Uganda and do not have flashing devices. How long time I need to wait to come back to Europe and find my personal way to liberate them? It is really not easy. > I am from a foreign country, with its money devalued in comparison to > your currencies. These prices are for rich gringos, for your own people > and not for a broader community. What I can suggest is that you follow libreboot instructions and try with your local technicians to help you with flashing. Process is for non-technicians risky. > The community, I guess, lacks very much options for getting popular > Librebooted ThinkPads. How to help expanding free software and hardware > in scenarios like this? By DIY or doing it yourself. > These prices are over, so we will never support your stores > because we can't. We can just try to do it ourselves, paying fair > prices getting used pieces (just as yours) from people that > doesn't know that there are companies selling it for much more > because it is "libreboot". That is harsh. I understand that price expectation due to being in different country, but in this world there are just few companies like retrofreedom.com making such as service. Do you know how much one non-physical idea can move in this world? Everything. retrofreedom.com carries idea forward for free hardware, there are just few such websites. If you cannot buy the laptop yourself then make a deal, you can forward few clients to retrofreedom.com and ask for bonuses, why not? That way you may earn yourself a laptop. > Even when it comes to offering the service of installing Libreboot or > whatever, I just see obscene prices. I cannot share that viewpoint and it is exaggerated to say so > Where are we going? Do we want to make things more popular and make the > whole strong, or do we want a small community of FSF members and > Librebooted laptop owners?! retrofreedom.com is quite a good service for the lowest price among the few on the planet. Project supports financially the libreboot development. FSF members also support FSF, money is always involved, without money services cannot be provided. GNU is hosting free software for decades and somebody must pay money for that. Software was never free in the sense of money even it is free in sense of freedom. What you can do is to complain to your local politicans and hardware suppliers and demand free hardware and free bios, that way in long term you can achieve the effect. For time being you could try to liberate one Thinkpad in your country. Jean _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss