* Alexandre Oliva <lxol...@fsfla.org> [2021-04-16 01:19]: > On Apr 15, 2021, Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> wrote: > > > Alexandre Oliva, have you been on many Libreplanet videos, that you > > can confirm how RMS yelled on public speakers and if that is so, can > > we know which video is it? > > I recall witnessing him run to the microphone more than once to interact > with speakers at LibrePlanet and elsewhere, and his speaking without > yelling in those occasions. > > That is not supposed to mean that the reported incident hasn't happened, > just that, if it did happen, I wasn't there. I believe that if I had > witnessed it, I'd remember.
Thank you. I cannot see how possibly the number of all people ever interacting with one person can be comfortable at all times and in full agreement at all times. And Libreplanet has its purposes which RMS knows inside out, it will be quite logical and I am expectin RMS to speak, in fact I expect many other participants to speak as to forward purposes. If some public speech or approach by RMS does not align to purposes of Libreplanet, and in the same time it happens too many times, that would be something to discuss. Because I do not, and did not see such events, and nobody presented video excerpt when I asked, I can for now just imagine that disagreements by RMS are related to free software, maybe terminology and similar. Of course I have seen his funny reactions when speaker mentions "intellectual property" or when somebody speaks of "open source" or something similar like RMS being leader of "open source" as such organizators did not make their home work well. In general, there are many speakers that will do things in public that may be funny, exaggerated, that may represent strong critics, speakers will yell and similar, but I have to, and wish to understand if that belongs to disagreements on political issues, or it is something that belongs to lack of self-control and lack of respect to people. So far I could not, as being on distance, not get a single event of any such occurences and I find the complaints generalized and not specific. And I cannot see how possibly a public person can escape the fact that some of women approached will be discreet about those approaches. All that is human nature. But so far I do not see from stories anything that would ever justify public shaming, defamation and constant character ruin. In my personal work, I sometimes fetch 4800 people from a website and into the database on my computer, then I devise a process how to test these people for literacy, their ability to be attentive, tenacity, their intellectual capacity, and I give them a project that once finished would qualify them for partnership position in business. In that project I mention all possible details. From 1050+ people contacted from that list, though I have explained myself so well in the letter that is very personal, despite I have explained all kinds of businesses where I need those people to help me, and how I have found them and everything decent and kind, I will get about 3 people who will complain so harsh and attack me by all means feeling disrespected. And all what I tell them is "Hello, I have found your application for a job, please read my offer here and let me know if you are interested" -- they read the offer and may feel awful. Then I never let those people who feel so in their sad situation, regardless if their emotions are by no means caused by my actions. So I keep communicating, and at least try to find out what happened, and after a while 1 out of 3 persons will keep talking with me as person realized that emotional reaction was not appropriate to the situation. Those are just 3 extremes among 1050 people. By using the principles from Scientific Advertising book by Claud C. Hopkins I am extrapolating a ratio of such occurences. The extrapolated ratio will tell me what is going to happen with the rest of (- 4800 1050) ⇒ 3750 people. I can guess there will be about 10+ people who will give me that same emotional reaction that I myself find out of order. And no matter what I change on my side, there will be number of people complaining. Regarding approaches to women is very similar, even public people like RMS are attracted by other persons and approaches may be positively and negatively cause a reaction that people will like to share with other people. If such approach was verbal and discreet and then few women find it rather important to share with other people, their reactions are nothing that shall be relevant to the humanitarian and social work that RMS conducts, neither is relevant to this mailing list, and should not be the subject of second hand generalized story interpretations. In some countries people mate by approaching each other out of the blue on street and asking for appointment, there is acceptance and denial as outcome, but none of them will complain that approach happened. In some countries mating requires longer or more harmonized communication beforehand which is anyway better connecting people, but there people may complain for a quicker approach. Different people on Libreplanet may react differently. My question is not if RMS will get reactions for reasonable conversation, that somebody may feel as "interruption" -- but hey, interruptions are common by many professors on every university, there are many ways how a speaker from audience may try to "lead" and deviate into whatever purposes that are not aligned with the public speech purpose. Interruptions may be well justified, but question is not if reactions exist, rather if such interruption is not reasonable. Of course that interruption will appear rude to the one talking. Those are in disagreements. My question is not if nobody will ever complain or disagree with RMS, but I just don't see anything that falls out of what is otherwise expected with philosophers. Myself I do expect many protesters to come to speeches where is RMS and Libreplanet, as it is civilized discussion and people do not necessarily share opinions. They may agree on something or mostly there will be people in agreement, but many will like to say their opinions which are contradictory, clashes are expected to happen in public discussions. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns Sign an open letter in support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ https://rms-support-letter.github.io/ _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss