* Valentino Giudice <valentino.giudic...@gmail.com> [2022-03-02 09:19]: > > when Devin answers with: " 'what' the FSF ... ", that 'what' makes me > > think that there is something going on > > Stop right there. > Devin is only responsible for what he writes, not for what you > think.
It is not simple like that Valentino. Devin has signed his email as being the FSF community outreach officer. And he did make references to FSF directly. If Devin would be talking like you, it would be clear that Valentino is not FSF officer or community outreach -- so it becomes clear that statement is not FSF statement. I am however sure that Devin understood the presentation and that he knows how to speak for himself and how to speak in front of or in the name of organization. If I am FSF officer, then I can send email from my private email address and in capacity as myself; or I can make clear I speak my opinion, and not represent FSF. So that is from where little confusion came, nothing really significant. > > but then, is there the same amount of active engagemant on all the > > other issues? and that is no trivial question, for there might be > > monsanto using free software for spraying prohibited neonicotins, > > Which is something the FSF doesn't legally have to care about. > But because there are US sanctions against Russia, the FSF, and any > other US organization, has to comply. Yes please, though also it would be kind not to generalize. FSF complies to what specifically? To comply to what? As not to accept Putin as FSF member and his politicans? Like what exactly. Let us not generalize, sanctions by US are specific, government did so much care to make it specific, they have named individual people who are sanctioned. Is post office and mailing of items to Russia sanctioned? I am sure it is difficult, but is it sanctioned? Is the person Russian Mr. ABC sanctioned? If not, FSF can ship whatever items. Including FSF can receive donations from Russians, that is not sanctioned. Don't mix everything with everything. Russian people are too many, don't accuse and blame all of the nation for politics. And that politics was anyway caused by US, so first go from where it was caused. Reference: US Congress stops funding for Ukraine's war-criminal, neo-Nazi Azov Battalion -- Puppet Masters -- Sott.net https://www.sott.net/article/350064-US-Congress-stops-funding-for-Ukraines-war-criminal-neo-Nazi-Azov-Battalion > >... and then we come to the problem of arbitrirary choosing as best as > > we can, out of zillion unjustices, which ones we will fight against. > > But the FSF is not fighting against this injustice. In fact, the FSF > is not even claiming the ongoing situation is an injustice. > The FSF is just "chosing" anything, it's just doing what it has to as > a US organization. That is correct, FSF should abide to its articles of incorporation, goals and purposes, and straighten freedom of software. FSF has already pointed out to injustices like privacy and communication, I guess also censorship. It is related to free software as such may provide privacy, straight communication without surveillance and avoid censorship. In those areas it would be right to say that human rights abuses are occuring now in many countries which are blocking all of the Russian media, and Russia blocking other media and giving back in same way and conducting censorhip. We cannot even get the viewpoint from other side to decide for ourselves. That is called mass hypnosis, as invented by Goebels, Hitler's propagandist. > The US government. Do you think the FSF decided these sanctions? Apropos, FSF could be incorporated in other countries where such sanctions do not exist and it could have independent groups of people who act on their own and who are not under any sanctions. For example, somebody could make FSF-like organization in Iran or in Russia, and promote free software. It is needed there too. > > > so i wonder what would this selective active engagement in our case > > mean. > > It means the FSF is complying with the law. It has to. And that is right, however, don't generalize, it shall comply to specific laws, not to rumors. See above generalization vs. specifics. > > find it very rude to be calling civilians to go to war. i find it > > very very rude to be coming from FSF. > > That literally never happened. The FSF never called for anyone to go > to war. But his viewpoint is understandable. That is what I said, when representative of organization expresses his private opinion, that opinion shall be separate, individual, best not even told on Libreplanet mailing list. Libreplanet is for Russian and Ukrainian equally. That was small problem, though there is no significant impact. > > or am i wrong? > > You are wrong. And I say, he is wrong. :-) > As Stallman has said, Devin's answer was incomplete. But he didn't > say anything wrong. Unless you read way too much into it. While he did not say anything wrong, he represented FSF and has given references to FSF. And that caused slight quarrel here. Next time it will be better. Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss