On 06/12/2024 09:57, Jean Louis wrote:
On December 5, 2024 11:12:09 AM GMT+03:00, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss <[email protected]> wrote:Hi AllI agree on starting people young, perhaps one way in to this is to open up discussions. Young people (and others) want to be involved. Lets take integration of AI in to everything, the fact this is being forced on us, regardless of if we actually want it, should be open to discussion, free software gives us that choice, we can fork a project to include or exclude AI Components for example, but we need the freedom to do so. Also we could aim this project at different faculties a lot of subjects do now include programming as we can use code to help automate work, BUT we need to trust all the tools not just what they are doing, but they are also secure against external threats to steal what we are working on. Take cloud strike as an example of what happens when we rely on a 3rd party and closed source to do things for us, 99 percent of the time it works. All very well, what is the alternative, I get told to avoid cloudflare (or what ever it is called) but don't get told what I can use instead. Projects need to be student led, many have external interests and we can help them develop solutions that are practical but personal to them. If there are several students involved in the same external interest, then they can form a team and take ownership. Students get told what to do at school, external clubs to a point need to be about them. Just some thoughts. Paul On 04/12/2024 16:23, Aaron E-J wrote:I have thought that the idea of working on open source projects as learning tools would be a great win-win-win opportunity to advance education. I am coming in the context of the college level, but I think we need to start students down the path towards free software as early as possible. The name for the project I was thinking of is called "World Piece" or "World Pieces" and it is a play on the notion of breaking learning goals into code tasks. Basically how I was thinking this would work is, given a topic to be learnt, there is some auto-curation of open source git repositories with open tasks to be completed. Although there are definitely issues with GitHub, privacy, and consuming open source technologies for closed source gain, I was just looking at some of the learning materials on GitHub and I think there may be funding or technical support available from Microsoft to create such a project. Obviously we need to make sure that the objective is learning code, not learning to use GitHub, and promoting open source software, not maximizing profit to the determent of society. However, I think the general concept of integrating open project issues into learning tasks is a far more efficacious means of teaching than having students work on meaningless one-off homework that has no larger purpose. There could even be the chance to get industry funding for students to earn money based on completion of sponsored tasks, although again, we need to be careful to not turn this into an exploitative means of getting cheap labor. I am connected to both the education and engineering departments at UMass in Massachusetts, USA and will put feelers out for potential collaborators. Do you have a website/other documents with more info on the framework? Do you think my idea and yours can be melded into some sort of larger plan? Aaron E-J The Other Realm [1]http://otherrealm.org [2]http://theotherrealm.org (Blog) On 11/29/2024 11:41 PM, carmenmaris--- via libreplanet-discuss wrote: Hi everyone! I've been working on something really exciting I want to share with you all. For the past several months I've been working on a project whose aim is to bring teenagers into the free software movement, help them develop their skills and give them a fun and supportive community that will sustain their interest. My project is currently unnamed[1]. The idea for it was inspired by my own memories of discovering free software at age 13. This is the kind of thing I would have loved to participate in as a teenager. I hope that's also true for today's teens. This is an ambitious project and I'm in it for the long-term. I'd like to start fairly small. In the first year, I'll be focussing on: * Introducing teenagers to free software. I'll be making plenty of age-appropriate materials telling people about free software and working with other youth organisations to distribute them to their members. * Creating a community for teenagers interested in free software. I will run an online community with structured discussions and online events. I'm also planning on running some biweekly free software clubs using videoconferencing software. The online communities will be safe places for young people to learn new skills and share what they know with others. * Publishing a small online magazine once a month. The articles will be things like answers to questions, stories on free software issues relevant to teenagers, inspiration for college and careers in technology, programming tutorials, interviews with people in the community and stories celebrating young people's successes. * Helping teenagers fight back against non-free software in their lives. What I do here really depends on the needs of the young people that join us. I want to work with them to find goals they can achieve with some support. Based on what I know about how things are in my local community, I would be looking at finding ways to help teenagers win the right to choose free software at school and get their friends to adopt free software social media and messaging apps. This project isn't just for teenagers that are interested in programming. I have lots planned for everyone. [1] I came up with a name ('LaunchLibre') many months ago. Despite searching trademark registers and the internet, I somehow hadn't heard about LaunchCode until this morning. Obviously, I'll be choosing another name as soon as I can. Suggestions are very welcome. Where I'm at now ---------------- I've done substantial research and made detailed plans for what my project will do, how it'll be funded and how I hope it will grow into the future. I've been experimenting in my local community with distributing materials, speaking to community groups and working on setting up a free software club for teenagers. I've learnt a lot about what will work and what won't. The plan for the next few months is to apply for a small business grant and incorporate. How you can help me ------------------- I need members to found an incorporated society. The law here in New Zealand says I need 10, but it's best if I have around 20. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find enough people in this country to get even remotely close to those numbers. If you might be interested in becoming one of the society's members, please message me off-list. There will only be an occasional time commitment. Your participation is vital for making this a reality and I'll be very thankful for your help. You can become a member of the society even if you live outside of New Zealand. I'm always appreciative of comments and advice. You can also help me by sharing this information with other people you think might be interested. If you're 13-18 and haven't graduated from secondary school yet, I'd love to talk to you. This project is for you, and your thoughts mean a lot to me! Questions and updates --------------------- I'm always happy to answer questions. I've thought long and hard about everything to do with this project and I'm excited to share! If you'd like updates on my progress, I'll be putting together a mailing list. Please message me if you're interested. If you're in Auckland, I'd love to meet you! I'll have a table at the Christmas festival at Coast Plaza on December 8. I'll be there from around 10 am to 3 pm with a break for lunch. If you can't make it, you can message me and I'm sure we can arrange something else. - Carmen _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [3][email protected] [4]https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss References 1. http://otherrealm.org/ 2. http://theotherrealm.org/ 3. mailto:[email protected] 4. https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss _______________________________________________ libreplanet-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discussI don't see how artificial intelligence is being forced upon us. Computers were invented to extend our intelligence, and in essence, every computer is already a form of artificial intelligence. There is nothing being imposed on anyone. You are free to go fishing or spend time in nature. You don’t have to use a computer or concern yourself with artificial intelligence if you don’t want to. Everyone has the freedom to choose how they live and how they feel about technology. The invention of electricity didn’t force anyone to use it, just as the development of clean water networks in cities doesn’t compel people to use clean water—you can choose to use dirty water if you prefer. Similarly, computers and artificial intelligence are not mandatory aspects of life. They are simply developments in society. Participation is entirely voluntary; nothing is being forced upon anyone. Jean
Sorry sent this as a reply to Jean and not to the list.I was thinking how operating systems such as Windows are implementing features such as co-pilot and recall, and these are just part of updates to the system, rather than features a user chooses to install. AI has great potential if used in the right way to say a tool that analyses data.
Was there not discussion on how AI is writing code based on what is on github, with or without proper attribution to where it came from, so there are moral and ethical issues here. The free software community believe we have better ethical model to say closed source models, I am not suggesting we reject AI, just think about who controls that particular tool and what their overall Modus Operandi isl which for companies such as Meta etc is to make money, AI and algorithms drive what users see on their feeds for example.
So to open up those discussions may lead to people hopefully writing better tools that respect user freedom more.
Paul
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