On 28/10/2025 10:19, Lars Noodén via libreplanet-discuss wrote:
Products which have functionality tied to remote servers are products which end users do not, in practice, actually own. The differentiator between possessing and owning is the matter of who has control. In the case of "smart" devices, it is the company which controls the "smart" device and not the purchaser / subscriber. Thus the company is the real owner there.I generally fail to see why most of these devices such as fridges,l freezers , beds even need to be connected, it is more points of failure, after they fail you probably find out the product can't be fixed as it is out of some sort of support and you either need to pay through the roof to get it fixed, or buy a new product.On 10/25/25 02:56, Akira Urushibata wrote: > More and more of our home appliances are equipped with "smart" > features. Some connect to cloud servers, which looks like a > bad idea considering the risk of server-side failure. [snip]Speaking of server failure, for those that follow videos, there are some complicated beds which failed problematically when the company's serer failed."How a smart bed woke people up to lack of ownership; literally" https://yewtu.be/zLeorZWkWGELouis Rossmann has been going on about false versus true ownership for some time in his videos like the video above./Lars
And yes, as pointed out you don't[ actually own the device, the software belongs to the company and can't be studied to see what it is actually doing, and you can't fix stuff.
Just more items to end up on piles of scrap technology too. Paul
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