Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:25:15 +0000
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto 70CT - Replacment hard drive? - Installing Win98se
From: Jonathan DuQueno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I'm making progress but now Im stuck again :(
- Deleted all partitions using desktop->win xp->computer management.
That's probably the problem there Jonathan. You need to do the initial
partitioning in the Libretto.
- Used Win 98se boot disk to create max primary dos partition (7.8GB).
- Formatted as Fat32 using desktop->win xp->computer management.
- Copied Win98se CD to primary partition.
- Booted from Win 98se disk and run c:/win98/setup.exe.
- Scan disk runs ok.
- Win 98 preparing setup wizard reaches 100% (pretty color screen and
working mouse thingy, love it even more now).
- Then I get an error message :(
Message SU0013 Setup can not create files on your startup drive
If you
have HPFS or NTFS you must create a MS-DOS boot partition
Found this http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=188166 on Microsoft but not
much help :(
I downloaded the boot disk from www.bootdisk.com (Windows 98SE OEM).
Is this because I formatted the drive using XP or a problem with the boot
disk Im using?
My guess is that yes, I think your problems may be due to your using XP to
do initial partitioning before proceeding. From the Microsoft support page
you pointed to, it says:
------------------------
CAUSE
Some Toshiba Tecra computers were shipped with incorrect information in the
hard disk partition table. As a result, Setup detects a problem with the
hard disk. In this case, >>the partition table indicates that extended INT13
calls are not available<<. Regular INT13 calls work only in real (or MS-DOS)
mode.
------------------------
The problem with using XP to do partitioning like this is that it writes
extra data to any drive it sees in a hidden folder called 'System Volume
Information'. Though I've never found out if that would cause any problems
for installing a Windows in a Libretto. But more importantly, XP is no
doubt writing a partition table that includes cylinder information about
area beyond 8GB that isn't going to make any sense when put in the Libby.
That, becuase the desktop is going to provide Int13 data that the Lib isn't
going to understand.
I think you need to do >everything< in DOS from the very beginning.
To start, if it's not already there, add the file format.com to the W98 boot
floppy from C:\Windows\Command folder on a system with Windows 98. I'm not
sure if the version in XP is the same, but you could find that in
C:\WINDOWS\system32 if you don't have a W98 system.
With the Windows 98 OS installation CD in the desktop's CD-ROM drive, try
this:
* Put the drive back in the Lib
* Boot from a W98 boot floppy
* Delete all existing partitions
* Create one big primary partition with FDISK
* Exit FDISK and run 'A:\>Format C:' (without the quotes.. upper/lower case
is not important)
* Pull the IDE ribbon from the hard drive in the desktop, and connect the
Lib drive to it
(That so you don't boot XP. Make sure there's no other hard drives
connected.)
* Boot the system from the W98 boot floppy, and choose to enable CD-ROM
support
* At the A:\> prompt, run 'C:' to switch to the Lib drive's C: partition.
* At the C:\> prompt, run 'md Win98' - That will create a C:\Win98 folder
* At the C:\> prompt, run 'E:' - That should be your CD-ROM drive
* Run 'dir /p' and hit the Enter key to scroll if necessary to confirm
you're reading the CD-ROM drive
If the Lib drive and CD-ROM are the only drives in the desktop, the CD-ROM
is most likely going to be the E: drive, as the Win98 boot floppy will
create a D: RAM drive. If you don't see a E:\Win98 folder after running
'dir /p' (p pauses the DOS scroll), try switching to F: or G:
* If you see a E:\Win98, run 'CD\Win98'
* Run 'copy *.* C:\Win98
That will copy all of the Windows installation files over to the Lib drive.
If you have the lib drivers on a CD in individual folders, you could run a
similar process for each. Someone else on the list may have a more
practical procedure for doing this.
You can then put the drive in the Lib, and run Windows' setup.exe.
You >might< get away with loading the drivers and Win98 installation files
onto the Lib drive in XP. But I'm not certain if XP is going to cause you
any partition problems. Maybe someone elee on the list here could chime in
here. As long as you don't do any partitioning in XP, you might be safe.
But XP may remove the Lib drive's 'Active' (boot) configuration. That'd be
easy enough to reset by booting the drive in the Lib from a floppy set up
with DOS versions of Ranish or Partition Magic partitioning software, but
that gets convoluted.
A more fail-safe method of copying over the \Win98 files and Lib drivers
would be to connect the drive to a system running Windows 98, and doing it
there. W98 won't mess with the drive partitions like XP will.
Good luck!
Matt
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Matthew Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>From: "Jon DuQueno"
>
>Thanks for your reply. Got a cheap 20GB IBM TravelStar today :) But
having
>a
>little trouble formatting it and installing win 98 (I don't really know
>what
>I'm doing) :(
>
>I deleted all the partitions using desktop->Win XP->computer management.
>Then I tried creating a new partition using a Fdisk from a Dos 6.22 boot
>disk in the libretto (downloaded from www.bootdisk.com). I thought this
>would give me the max primary partition size (8GB ish) but when I created
a
>maximum primary partition it was only 2GB :( So I then tried creating a
>7.8GB Fat32 partition in desktop->Win XP->computer management instead. I
>then copied my old Win98se CD to the c: drive, put drive back in the
>libretto and booted from my dos disk. But it wouldn't let me switch to
the
>c: drive... error "Invalid drive specification".
The "Invalid drive specification" message was probably because the C:
partition wasn't set to 'Active' (bootable). That, probably because you
used XP to do the partitioning. It'll only allow 1 partition to be set
active.
>Should this work, what am I doing wrong? Is it possible to use a 8GB
>primary
>partition? Does it need to be formatted as fat16 (Win XP->computer
>management didn't give me fat16 option)? Do I ned to be using EZ-driveH
>Does Win XP->computer management use 1,000 or 1,024 when specifying
>partition sizes?
>
>Ideally I want a 8GB partition for Win98 (C:) 100mb for hibernation data
>and
>12GB for a second partition (D:). Libretto bios version is 6.20.
>
>I have tried searching the archive and www.silverace.com/libretto/ but
>can't
>find an idiot proof guide for setting up 8GB+ drive on the 70CT, please
>help.
You might want to start over, and do all the initial partitioning in the
LIbretto booted from a Windows 98 startup disk if you can get one. Use
FDISK to delete any existing partitions. Then make the biggest partition
that FDISK will allow you in the Libretto. Well, that's how some people do
it, and then put the HDD in the desktop, format the drive (goes faster
there
I think) and load all of the Windows installation files and Libretto
drivers
where you can access them after the OS is installed.
I prefer to make a 4-5GB C: partition with FDISK and leave it empty. Then
make a 2-3GB D: data logical partition with the rest of the drive space
where you can load the Windows OS installation files (you only need the
>files< from the x:\win98 folder, not any of the other folders and file in
them). Then I put the drive in the desktop, format the partitions, and copy
the OS installation and driver files to the D: drive. It's nice to leave
the D:\win98 folder & files on the drive so any future requests will be
directed there instead of having to connect the DC-ROM with the W98 CD.
Then put the drive back in the Libretto, boot from a Windows 98 boot
floppy,
run 'D:', and 'cd\win98' and 'setup.exe' from thje DOS prompt. After
Windows
installs, you'll want to install all of the Libretto drivers. The biggest
pain can be the floppy drivers. Be sure to disconnect the floppy drive
after Windows starts to load. Otherwise you may start directing Windows to
driver files after it boots, and forget to unckeck the option to for it
look
on the A: drive. Without floppy drivers installed, you'll be sitting there
for 5-10 minutes before Windows decides to release control of the system to
you with a prompt saying that it can't find the A: drive.
After that's all done, the system will be able to see the full 20GB of the
drive. So you can create partitions after the 8GB boundry, leaving about
50MB free space empty before them for the Libretto hibernation area in a
50/70CT with 32MB RAM, or about 100MB for a 100/110CT with 64MB.
Matt
