That's a great way of putting.

In my opinion, here's how lift's current documentation fits into those
three categories:
the Guidebook: the Get Started Guided and the Exploring Lift book
the Cookbook: blogs and various git repositories
the Encyclopedia: the mailing list, scala docs, and of course the source code

I think the lift wiki can quickly (6 months) become the repository for
cookbook/recipe articles.  Eventually (1.5+ years) it could even
become the lift encyclopedia.  Are these worthwhile goals?

Please don't view these e-mail as just a bunch of noobs complaining
about documentation.  I'm just trying to align my expectation with the
community's ideals.

Thanks,
Xavi

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 10:36 PM, g-man <gregor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Having gone through Rails, the Google App Engine with Django, and
> web2py over the last four years, I have seen it all as far as learning
> new frameworks goes, and I have posted a few ideas on that subject
> both here and on the book group.
>
> For those of us spoiled by the wealth of learning material on Rails,
> and to a lesser degree Django and web2py, all I can say is: 'Lift is a
> new framework, and a sophisticated one at that, which uses a new
> language derived from a convoluted one, and is at a relatively early
> stage of development, so therefore the designers are forging ahead to
> completion of the foundation, and thus there are few who can devote
> the time to creating the documentation we newcomers need.'
>
> My post on the book group defined the three classes of useful
> documents to be the Guidebook, the Encyclopedia, and the Cookbook. My
> role for the wiki is to hold Cookbook recipes which answer the most
> common 'how to' questions we encounter when building a website.
>
> In my personal learning quest, I am extending the 'ToDo' app by adding
> pieces of functionality, like many-to-many tagging, date manipulation,
> deletion, an admin interface, etc.
>
> As I come across solutions or questions, I post those on the group in
> order to help others and to get improvements and refinements from the
> members.
>
> David is right... Lift and Scala together are taking web applications
> to a whole new level of performance, so naturally it will take a
> little time to make things happen.
>
> By the way, today my copies of David's and Martin's Scala books
> arrived, and I urge all to purchase them yourselves!
>
>
> On Jun 1, 3:35 pm, "Charles F. Munat" <c...@munat.com> wrote:
>> Hi, Xavi,
>>
>> One of my tasks is to come up with a good organization for the wiki and
>> a site map, as well as a list of things we'd like to add to it.
>> Unfortunately, with the coming Scala/Liftoff and OSB conferences, I've
>> been swamped with other things. But I am working on it, albeit slowly.
>> If you have any specific recommendations, please post them.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Chas.
>>
>> Xavi Ramirez wrote:
>> > Hello,
>>
>> > I'm a bit confused about the future of the lift wiki.  What's the end
>> > goal?  In an ideal world is it supposed to be the main repository of
>> > lift knowledge, or just another documentation source?
>>
>> > I personally feel that having one repository of knowledge is much more
>> > noob friendly.  Currently new members have to navigate through started
>> > guides, books, e-mail threads, scala docs, and personal blogs to find
>> > relative information.  Though the get started guided and book provide
>> > a good introduction, it's hard to progress from novice to intermediate
>> > with these fragmented resources.
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Xavi
>
> >
>

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