Tim, Eric, @Tim: > everyone has to start > somewhere and saying Lift is only appropriate for hardcore programmers > because its a new framework is wrong IMHO.
Compared to certain other starting points, there are a lot of extra hurdles to overcome if you're going to attempt lift as your intro to programming. For example, contrasted to a simple non-lift project, the person would have to become familiar with: - maven - command line - many "advanced" aspects of scala - deal with less reliable IDE tools and sometimes forgo their benefits entirely A new programmer shouldn't try to deal with more than one of those at a time, or he'll get stuck on lots of fruitless problems (sometimes for days), and likely have to go back to a simpler environment anyway. It's better to start programming by: 1) *programming* rather than learning tools, and 2) having the full support of an IDE. @Eric: I'd also echo the sentiment which has already been expressed here a few times: just start working with code and don't worry about getting the architecture right. Architecture is a medium-to-advanced topic, btw, that requires you to judge the value of choosing among multi-factored tradeoffs. That kind of knowledge mostly comes from *experience* with all the patterns in various contexts. Best regards, Ellis On Jul 6, 12:17 pm, Timothy Perrett <timo...@getintheloop.eu> wrote: > Ellis, > > Im afraid I disagree with you - Eric does not state what type of > "eComerce" application he wants to create... IMO, this is very > subjective. Lift ships out of the box with PayPal integration - one > could say that a site which allows a user to pay via paypal is > eCommerce... would you disagree? > > If Eric takes on advice from the Lift Book and perhaps a learning > scala book like DPP's, then asks lift related questions on here when > he needs specific help im sure he'll be fine... everyone has to start > somewhere and saying Lift is only appropriate for hardcore programmers > because its a new framework is wrong IMHO. > > Eric, good luck to you - the lift community is a great place to start > your programming endeavors; you probably have a slightly steeper > learning curve than most, but provided you have grit and determination > there is nothing to say you will not reach your goals. Think > positive. > > Cheers, Tim > > On Jul 6, 10:13 am, Ellis <ellis.whiteh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Eric, > > > Here are a few comments and suggestions. > > > - Honestly, I don't think that lift and scala are the right places for > > you to start out. The systems are very powerful, but relatively new, > > and so they are still geared towards more experienced programmers. > > - You'll need more than a month to become comfortable with an entirely > > new programming environment. > > - The java toolset can be confusing. Try NetBeans; it's easier to > > understand than Eclipse. > > - An e-commerce program would take years to get right, but if that's > > what inspires you, you might want to focus on just small parts of such > > a program instead. > > > Cheers, > > Ellis > > > On Jul 6, 5:13 am, eric cs <eeri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I saw some posts on Scala website about helping newcomers and I was > > > wondering if some of you would be kind enough to help me out to start > > > with Scala/Lift. > > > My main problem is I am not a programmer yet but I really really want > > > to be, I've been studying Ruby/Rails, Php/Zend/Symfony,Mvc,Design > > > Patterns,Uml,Sql and some Java. I read some books but I don't get my > > > head to think like a programer. > > > I really like OO,Design Patterns, Uml but I don't know how to apply > > > that to a full application, how to link everything together, > > > classes,objects(books about that?Not about those items but how to put > > > everything together)...I know a lot of the theory and concepts but no > > > practice. > > > I have all july available to learn that 12 hours a day or more if > > > necessary I just need a push, someone to teach/help me out. > > > What's more, I saw a post saying that I could learn Scala from scratch > > > without learning Java, it's possible, not so much with Groovy. If it's > > > not what parts of Java do I need to know, in case some of you tell me > > > learn Java first(the easy answer).Do I need a lot of experience in > > > Java to jump in in Scala? I know it helps but I would like to finish > > > my first e-commerce in august, 100% opensource in Scala if possible. > > > > P.s:I did 2 years of Computer Science C++ and 2 years of Civil > > > Engineering over 12 years ago both unfinished. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lift" group. To post to this group, send email to liftweb@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to liftweb+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/liftweb?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
