On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Trevor Daniels <t.dani...@treda.co.uk> wrote:
> > Mike Solomon wrote Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:22 AM > >> On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:36 AM, David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> wrote: >> >>> As opposed to me, Graham excelled at organizing >>> and maintaining community efforts like this which makes his leaving an >>> even larger loss. >> >> His leaving is a huge loss, and as he has stated several times, one big >> reason is the lack of sense of community. devel-list quarrels and the >> thaws that come from them have real impacts on LilyPond - I can’t >> emphasize enough that we need to stop marginalizing this issue and >> tackle it head on. Modularity, while perhaps a good long term solution, >> is a long ways away. How are we going to deal with this in 2014? > > Actually, I think there is a great sense of community within the LilyPond > project. Why else would people comment so favourably on the responses > they receive on the various mailing lists; why else would people on the > bug squad, Phil on releases, James on managing reviews, etc devote their > time to mundane tasks? Why else would people, even those no longer > active in LilyPond development, continue to read the lists? No, we are > a great community and it is greatly enjoyable to belong to it! > I agree that this part of the community is great. Reading the communication between these people is a pleasure - it is professional, courteous and fun. > Also we are extremely fortunate to have so many brilliant developers > willing to spend their time augmenting, fixing and improving our baby. > That differences arise from time-to-time is inevitable - from the nature of > this project our community includes people covering a wide range of > temperament. Artists, artisans and engineers all figure prominently. They > have different viewpoints and approaches, but this is an advantage not > a problem - providing we can find a way to live and work together without > stress levels getting too high. I agree. > >> How are we going to deal with this in 2014? > > I would recommend Mike and David both consider privately what they > might have done differently to avoid this situation arising. Not what the > other should have done, but what they themselves might have done. > If they'd like to share those thoughts with the list that would be good, but > that is not essential. But they must share them with each other and try > to culture a mutual respect and understanding for the other's position. David and I have already been back and forth privately a lot about these issues. I value David’s criticisms and have learned a lot from his insistance on commenting, code quality, and design. To address issues that David has brought up, I have read cover to cover two books on programming, one of which is on code refactoring and design. I think these have led to tangible improvements in my work on LilyPond. I look forward to learning more. It’d be a great goal in 2014 to see people who left the project because of communication difficulties come back because of a sincere effort on the part of everyone to communicate with mutual respect, irrespective of what the differences are in their positions. Cheers, MS _______________________________________________ lilypond-devel mailing list lilypond-devel@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel