2007/9/21, Trevor Bača <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > In German the word is "Tupel" vs. "Duole", "Triole", "Pentole" etc. > > I never really heard "Tupel" in musical context, only mathemathically. > > My musical lexicon doesn't know it - but my favourite online > > dictionary doesn't know "tuplet" either. > > Yeah, I may be spreading unsubstantiated rumours here, but the term > seems definitely to have shown up first in English (rather than FR or > DE) and I *think* it actually originated in an early version of the > Finale user manual (God help us). I've never been able to verify this > last bit, but, if true, it would at least explain why the word doesn't > seem to exist in any EN dictionaries yet. > > Henning, is das (?) Tupel the same word that gets used in math to talk > about ordered collections of stuff like (17, 18, 29)? EN has "tuple" > for such things ... and "tuplet" (with the final t) seems to be a > completely novel musical term backformed from triplet, quadruplet, > quintuplet, [s|h]extuplet, etc. Maybe DE has to make due with only one > form of the word? Or possibly you guys could borrow in "Tuplet"? Or > perhaps that simply looks absurd ...
As Mark Knoop wrote, (indeed "das") "Tupel" is normally a vector and as a musical term seems to be as common as "tuplet". For the German tuplets named Duole, Triole, Quartole, Quintole/Pentole etc. the neologism would have to be "die Tupole", but I guess that's silly. Greetlings, Hraban
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