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From: "m...@apollinemike.com" <m...@apollinemike.com>
To: Javier Ruiz-Alma <jav...@ruiz-alma.com>
Sent: Mon, April 4, 2011 2:25:58 PM
Subject: Re: Trill notation with fingering
On Apr 4, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Javier Ruiz-Alma wrote:
>
>
>>>On Apr 3, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Javier Ruiz-Alma wrote:
>>>
>>>Any ideas as to how best to approximate the trill plus fingering notiation
>>>as
>>>shown in this image?
>>>>The closest I can get is:
>>>>
>>>>a2.\trill^markup{\finger "3 2"}
>>>>
>>>>However, this doesn't show the cap over the digits, plus lilypond seems to
>>>>always try to display the "tr" symbol at the very top, no matter what order
>>>>the
>>>>modifiers are listed after the note.
>>>>
>>>>Thx,
>>>>Javier<original_fingered_trill.gif>_______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>
>>>Just realized that this is better...
>>>
>>>
>>>#(define-markup-command (up-tied-lyric layout props a b)
>>> (markup? markup?)
>>> (let*
>>> ((tie-str (ly:wide-char->utf-8 #x2040))
>>> (joined (list-join `(,a ,b) tie-str))
>>> (join-stencil (interpret-markup layout props tie-str))
>>> )
>>>
>>>
>>> (interpret-markup layout
>>> (prepend-alist-chain
>>> 'word-space
>>> (/ (interval-length (ly:stencil-extent
>>>join-stencil
>>>X)) -3.5)
>>> props)
>>> (make-line-markup joined))))
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>{ \once \override Staff . Script #'outside-staff-priority = #0
>>>a'2.\trill^\markup{ \up-tied-lyric \finger 3 \finger 2 }}
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Mike
>>>
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>>>Wow, Thank You Mike!
>>>
>>>
>>>Attached is my first try with your code. I improvised the following to
>>>reduce
>>>the space between digits, with bad results:
>>>\markup{ \up-tied-lyric \finger "43" }
>>>I don't know anything about custom commands (yet), so I suspect it fails is
>>>because your command is expecting two arguments. Let me know if there's
>>>anything I can tweak to improve the distance between the digits or
>>>horizontal
>>>positioning of the cap/tie.
>>>
>
>>#(define-markup-command (up-tied-lyric layout props a b factor)
>> (markup? markup? number?)
>> (let*
>> ((tie-str (ly:wide-char->utf-8 #x2040))
>> (joined (list-join `(,a ,b) tie-str))
>> (join-stencil (interpret-markup layout props tie-str))
>> )
>>
>> (interpret-markup layout
>> (prepend-alist-chain
>> 'word-space
>> (/ (interval-length (ly:stencil-extent
>>join-stencil
>>X)) factor)
>> props)
>> (make-line-markup joined))))
>>
>>
>>{ \once \override Staff . Script #'outside-staff-priority = #0
>>a'2.\trill^\markup{ \up-tied-lyric \finger 3 \finger 2 #-2.75 }}
>>
>>
>>Alternatively, if you want to hardcode a value instead of passing the
>>function a
>>value every time, you can just use the code I sent you before but replace the
>>-3.5 with whatever value you want hardcoded in there.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>MS
>>
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>>Mike,
>>My thanks again for the custom tweak. I need to test more, see if there's an
>>offset value that may improve centering of that tie/cap.
>>The command to override lilypond's default placement of the trill sign on top
>>was really valuable to my project.
>>Attached are a couple samples. I'm thinking this notation with a dash is
>>readable (i.e. trill with fingers 4&3 on one, and the other is hold one note
>>with finger 2 while trilling the other note with 4&3 for the duration of the
>>notes).
>>Rgds,Javier
>Hey Javier,
>
>
>I don't see the attachment, but I'm glad it helped!
>
>
>Cheers,
>Mike
The dash looks like a prolongation of the "4" symbol - I'd suggest finding a
replacement for the dash (ie a bullet point) or shifting the dash up. But
that's just a taste thing.
Cheers,
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for not letting me give up on this. I tried the following notation using
the upper tie character you originally proposed and adjusting horiz. space to
bring them together:
{
\once \override Staff.Script #'outside-staff-priority = #0
f2.\trill^\markup{\finger{ \concat{ "4" \hspace #-0.5 \char ##x2040 \hspace
#-0.5 "3"}}}
}
This may be a winner...check the images. I got a greater appreciation for
lilypond and I learned about notation.
Rgds, Javier_______________________________________________
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