>  Please *never* take the mailing list off the cc without announcement.
>  If people notice this after the fact, it means that they have to search
>  in their archives for the message and resend a copy to the mailing
>  list.  In this case, I resent the wrong message again.
> 
>  It's a lot of hassle for the person involved, and it also means that you
>  think you, but not the mailing list, is entitled to further responses.
> 


i see my mistake.  Thanks for pointing it out.  From here on out, i'll always
use the "Reply All" button.  i had never intended to remove the group from the
cc.



> 
>  It either collapses (which means it disappears) or not.  If it doesn't
>  collapse, it spans all of the enclosing staves.
> 
>  collapse-height is the most singularly uselessly defined property
>  I encountered so far.  It's main use is to avoid braces when one of two
>  grouped voices is removed because of the remove-first property, but its
>  definition causes, for example, bass tablature clefs (4 strings) and
>  guitar tablature clefs (6 strings) to look differently.
> 
>  The unit should likely be "staves" for some reasonable definition of
>  "staff" rather than "height in xxx units".
> 
>  But as long as that is its definition...
> 


NOW i understand.  Thank you, again.
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