Since there is no response to Rusdian's questions, I rather start by
focusing the discussion on the level of environmental degradation caused by
FI's operations.
I believe all of us will agree that environmental concerns had been placed
as the least priority by the past regime during the past 30 years. All of
us, public in general, media, NGOs, government have to fairly shoulder the
blame... we were not strong enough to change the situation. Therefore, let
us think about what is needed to be done next but not to find out who was
the culprit??
The fact that environmental degradation associated with FI's operations has
now gotten worse is unavoidable and almost all of the impact is irreversible
should not be considered like un-paid debts. The ground role for unpaid
debts is clearer than that for restoring environmental damages.
In this context, could I have please some responses from whoever knows about
FI's operation on the following subjects:
(i) whether the present damage could be restored?? at what level ?/ (I
understand that the restoration should not be designed to achieve the prime
conditions)
(ii) who is (are) going to restore the damage ?? government (local/central?)
or FI or others
(iii)how much $$$ will be needed? and how long will the effort to restore
the damage be ??
(iv)how much $$$ FI has generated from its operation since the early 70s??
and how much $$$ will still be generated if the FI's operation continue at
the same level of destruction
(v) lastly, could somebody please voluntarily do the B/C analysis? and of
course help to find out other missing data
Let's us do analysis and discuss this subject professionally (e.g. as
businessperson, environmental specialists, mining specialists) no political
pressures ... .please and do not be too emotional.
Terimaksih,
Dewi N. Utami
----- Original Message -----
From: rusdian lubis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 11:31 PMSubject: RE: [lingkungan] Re:
Bruce ---Freeeeeeeeport ?
> Bruce,
>
> Let's start a discussion on PT FI. What is/are the real issues here :
>
> Environmental management ?
> COW-Kontrak Karya amendment?
> International "pressure" ?
> NGO "pressure"
>
> We all get so confused, please explain.
>
> RL
>
>
>
> >From: Harry Surjadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [lingkungan] Re: Freeeeeeeeport ?
> >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:02:57 +0700
> >
> >Bang Rusdian,
> >Ada Bruce Marsh si milis ini kok. Jadi diskusinya bisa seru. Tidak
apa-apa
> >kok kalau sekali-sekali pakai bahasa inggris. Rasanya sih kalau cuma baca
> >semua anggota bisa kok.
> >Silahkan siapa yang memulainya?
> >Harry Surjadi
> >
> >Kawan,
> >
> >Dari DC saya menangkap berita gaduh tentang PT FI. Saling silang pendapat
> >antara PF FI, MenLH, Pak Freddy Numberi, Dubes AS di Jakarta, Asmen Menlu
> >AS, Henry the Kiss, Walhi-Emmy Hafield dan malah dimuat dikoran-koran
> >lokal,
> >nasional sampai global (Newsweek,WT, NYT).
> >
> >Hari ini saya ikut diskusi Mining Closure and Sustainable Development di
> >IFC
> >(cabang WB) yang ngurusi private company activities. Beberapa "pemilik"
> >tambang bertanya-tanya tentang isyu ini. Malah ada yang kuatir ini akan
> >menyerempet ke operasi mereka di Indonesia. Jangan-jangan ada perintah
> >"tutup aja, kok repot-repot". Mari kita buka diskusi tentang FI. Elly
anda
> >mau jadi "sutradara", saya ikut nimbrung dari DC. Go on !
> >
> >Rusdian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Elly Rasdiani Sudibjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: [lingkungan] pencemaran air raksa dari Gunung Pongkor
> > >Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:18:11 +0700
> > >
> > >Virza,
> > >
> > >Masalahnya bukan saya tidak mau adanya keterbukaan. Masalahnya ada
> > >masalah SARA.
> > >
> > >Saya lebih senang berdiskusi secara terbuka, bukan lewat e-mail.
> > >
> > >Elly
> > >____________________________________
> > >Virza wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bu Elly,
> > > >
> > > > Kalau saya boleh usul, sebaiknya apa yang Bu Elly ketahui dapat
> > >diungkapkan
> > > > pada teman-teman semua di milis ini. Katanya sekarang jamannya
> > >keterbukaan,
> > > > jadi tidak ada salahnya semua orang mengetahui apa yang sebenarnya
> > >terjadi
> > > > di sana, bagaimanapun dan apapun buruknya.
> > > >
> > > > Kalau ada beberapa hal yang menyangkut individu, mungkin ada baiknya
> > >hanya
> > > > menggunakan inisial, dengan anggapan bahwa tidak melakukan tuduhan
> >tapi
> > > > hanya indikasi, dengan demikian tetap beretika praduga tidak
bersalah.
> > > >
> > > > Jadi bagi-bagi tahu ngerinya tersebut buat kita juga.
> > > >
> > > > Terima kasih,
> > > >
> > > > Virza
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Elly Rasdiani Sudibjo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 11:16 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [lingkungan] pencemaran air raksa dari Gunung Pongkor
> > > >
> > > > Pak Witjak,
> > > >
> > > > Awal tahun 1999 ada beberapa petugas dari Departemen Kesehatan pergi
> >ke
> > > > Pongkor .. untuk masalah air raksa ini.
> > > >
> > > > Hasilnya .. mereka disekap selama beberapa hari oleh ?????. Yang
> >jelas
> > > > seperti yang saya utarakan dibawah ... kita harus memahami struktur
> > > > masyarakat Pongkor. Pokoknya ngeri lah.
> > > >
> > > > Mau diskusi lebih lanjut, serta bicara tentang hal-hal yang tidak
bisa
> > > > diutarakan secara publik karena akan mengundang hal-hal yang tidak
> > > > diinginkan, maka silahkan menghubungi saya secara japri.
> > > >
> > > > Elly
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