Well, this is timely.  

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/09/sysadmins_to_devops_job_migrations/

As a sysadmin who is watching their job disintegrate, pushing the devops line 
for many
years, but continually forced to specialise, I just know my future has been 
commoditised.
Sysadmins are a fast disappearing species, especially in environments that 
drank the 
Service Based koolaid and used it as an excuse to push it out.

rachel

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On 09/08/2013, at 20:50, Robert Brockway <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote:
> 
>> Sys admins shouldn't manage applications, they should only manage systems.
> 
> I think you are using an unreasonably narrow definition of sysadmin here, 
> and one out of step with widespread usage.  I actually suspected this 
> after your first email but decided not to mention it then.
> 
> Professional sysadmins routinely manage applications.  This is often a big 
> part of their job and the distinction between system and application is 
> sometimes not even meaningful.  A high proportion of sysadmins are 
> focussed on application support.
> 
>> Application managers should manage applications. It's a question of
>> division of responsibilities.
> 
> You can give them a different name if you like.  Sysadmins often have a 
> variety of titles.
> 
> I think it is time for me to bow out of the conversation Bernard, we're 
> not talking the same language.  Stay well.
> 
> Rob
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