On 20 June 2014 20:27, David Boxall <lin...@boxall.name> wrote:

> I rather like the concept of #mutuallyassuredhumiliation.
>

There is a basic conflict in a social species between self-interest and
group-interest.  A cooperative group can achieve a vastly higher level of
biological success than a solitary organism.  Humans are creatively
cooperative to a degree not seen elsewhere in the living world*.    It has
allowed us to take over the planet.

However, the benefits of cooperation accrue to all members of the group
where as the costs - time, effort, risks - apply to the individuals who
work on the group tasks.  This poses a basic problem.  The "ideal" strategy
for the individual is to appear to cooperate but to actually "defect" and
work for themselves while reaping the benefits of group action.  However,
if everyone does this the group fails, so some serious mechanisms are
required to prevent the defectors from ruining the party.  Those mechanisms
must have co-evolved along with cooperation.   They would be the capacity
for morality, watchfulness for defectors, and the sufficient desire to
punish defectors even when executing the punishment creates a significant
cost.   A further clever innovation is the evolved capacity for shame.
 This unpleasant emotion, which has actually been found to activate the
pain centres of the brain, allows defectors to be controlled without most
of the the risk associated of physical punishments, and even to put the
individual in charge of monitoring themselves.

A lot of game theory and observational work done has been done on this
problem.  From game theory analysis, cooperation appears to a quite fragile
state, easily disrupted by defectors.  This result holds across a wide
variety of simulations.  It requires a significant effort to maintain but
is also at risk from overzealous sanctions against defectors.  Since we are
all prone to errors, both in our own behaviour and in misjudging others,
the optimal strategy is to be forgiving to a point but to be resolute about
applying sanctions to repeat transgressors.  In practice, the whole thing
is rather fraught.  These mechanisms evolved when we lived in small groups.
 The intuitions they provide struggle to cope with modern complex society
and are open to exploitation by shock jocks, politicians, and various axe
grinders, among others.  Formal systems, like the law, have to deal with
individuals who range from highly cooperative saints, to the great group of
more-or-less cooperative but occasionally cheating group, to the small
percentage of unshameable sociopaths who seem to be in jail or in various
positions of power, sometimes in an alternating fashion.

Where does the "right" to be forgotten fit into this picture?  Reputation
is an important mechanism for maintaining cooperation.  It can sound
unforgiving but requiring people to care for their reputations appears to
me to be something to not drop lightly.  Indeed, the growing libertarian
world view where the individual has primacy, unencumbered by responsibility
back to society, seems to me to pose a basic threat to cooperative aka
civil society.

Jim

* If you're interested, I would recommend the book SuperCooperators by
Nowak and Highfield.  It changed a few of my ideas.
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