Re: Richard and Daniel Susskind: "The Future of the Professions" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXwTpW2oFI
*Not a personal criticism, this is just an example of technology working to our current economic logic:* Richard Susskind and Daniel Susskind: we will neither need nor want doctors, teachers, accountants, architects, the clergy, consultants, lawyers, and many others, to work as they did in the 20th century.. It looks to me as though they are suggesting that they be disassembled and turned into elements which can be undertaken by people with less knowledge and/or by technology or robotics. There is a contrast between the way they work themselves and the kind of world of work they are offering to future generations. In the presentation, they obviously enjoy the complexity of looking at the whole systems of the professions. But the project is to undo that opportunity for professional holistic thinking, subject knowledge and excellence in care, to break it down to something cheap and unskilled. Future generations are offered a scope of work which does not give them the opportunity for excellence, innovation, choice in their work? What happens if we relook at those professions with the intention to enable the kind of augmented capacity to be effective in their work that technology can offer, so that future generations will inherit tools which help them to be challenged and wise and have respected expertise. I understand that our current economic model encourages us to break down the role of humanity until it is cheap or redundant, I think we need a different economic model which is designed for a healthy thriving ecology and a sentient and fully engaged community where everyone is able to contribute to their best capacity. It is possible that technologies can learn. It is more interesting to find out how people with face to face expertise can use technology which learns along with them rather than finding yet another way to make humanity obsolete in the interests of industrialising for individual financial advantage. We do not need replication we need to understand why we are still using logic/value which is breaking the ecology, how it works and how to change ourselves to fit? What is the point of a whole economy that bypasses humanity as a sentient species? Because it returns a profit, concentrating wealth through exclusion? If one person has all of the value/tools/assets etc then the rest of society will need an alt economics to serve their own needs. The result is that the concentrated wealth becomes irrelevant/atrophied like a calcium deposit rather than a flow of diverse values in a healthy system? Need to change the purpose of our economics to get the right tools? On 12 February 2016 at 15:16, Dr.bob Jansen <bob.jan...@turtlelane.com.au> wrote: > Whenever I read about AI/robots taking over medicine, I am reminded by > Mycin, one of the first medical AI systems concluding 'double the dose' > when faced with a dead patient. > > Sure, robot assisted surgery appears to be very useful, as does 'simple > interpretation' such as the Garvan's thyroid system but I would be > concerned by a non human diagnosis or treatment. > > Bobj > Dr Bob Jansen > Turtle Lane Studios Pty Ltd > Ph +61 414 297 448 > Skype bobjtls > bob.jan...@turtlelane.com.au > Http://www.turtlelane.com.au > > > On 12 Feb 2016, at 11:40, Marghanita da Cruz <marghan...@ramin.com.au> > wrote: > > > > Rather than a wing of a hospital - more useful would be remote care and > operations. Imagine having > > access to the best surgeons in your local library, school or [aged] care > facility. Not having to fly > > hundreds of kms or risking life and limb in traffic to have a baby. > > > > A lot of surgery these days already involves robots. > >> Laparoscopic surgery, also called minimally invasive surgery (MIS), > bandaid surgery, or keyhole surgery, is a modern surgical technique in > which operations are performed far from their location through small > incisions (usually 0.5–1.5 cm) elsewhere in the body. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laparoscopic_surgery > > > > Marghanita > >> On 12/02/16 13:15, Bernard Robertson-Dunn wrote: > >> Robots in health care could lead to a doctorless hospital > >> The Conversation > >> Anjali Jaiprakash > >> Jonathan Roberts > >> Ross Crawford > >> February 9, 2016 6.07am AED > >> > https://theconversation.com/robots-in-health-care-could-lead-to-a-doctorless-hospital-54316 > >> > >> Imagine your child requires a life-saving operation. You enter the > >> hospital and are confronted with a stark choice. > >> > >> Do you take the traditional path with human medical staff, including > >> doctors and nurses, where long-term trials have shown a 90% chance that > >> they will save your child’s life? > >> > >> Or do you choose the robotic track, in the factory-like wing of the > >> hospital, tended to by technical specialists and an array of robots, but > >> where similar long-term trials have shown that your child has a 95% > >> chance of survival? > >> > >> Most rational people would opt for the course of action that is more > >> likely to save their child. But are we really ready to let machines take > >> over from a human in delivering patient care? > >> > >> Of course, machines will not always get it right. But like autopilots in > >> aircraft, and the driverless cars that are just around the corner, > >> medical robots do not need to be perfect, they just have to be better > >> than humans. > >> > >> So how long before robots are shown to perform better than humans at > >> surgery and other patient care? It may be sooner, or it may be later, > >> but it will happen one day. > >> > >> But what does this mean for our hospitals? Are the new hospitals being > >> built now ready for a robotic future? Are we planning for large-scale > >> role changes for the > > _______________________________________________ > Link mailing list > Link@mailman.anu.edu.au > http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link > _______________________________________________ Link mailing list Link@mailman.anu.edu.au http://mailman.anu.edu.au/mailman/listinfo/link
