On 10/19/05, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I saw this the other day over on the IBM-MAIN list...thought so folks > here might like to read it......... > > I would like to relay what is real concerning zLinux costs and what is > theory or conjecture. I run a z/900-101 with one IFL along with my z/900- > 101 and z/900-102 in a Parallel Sysplex. > > First it makes no sense to bring up just 1-2 zLinux instances on an > Enterprise Server. To make it cost effective, I figure it is around > 20-30 and cheaper if there is more. So that lets out just using LPARs > without z/VM. With z/VM V5,it is cheap. Here is the breakdown: > > 1. z/VM - $19K one time & about $5K Support & Subscription (S&S). > 2. SuSe Linux - $16K one time. is this per Linux guest or for the shop? I don't recall paying this. > 3. SuSe Linux e-Maintenance - $13K yearly. this comes from Novell and > entitles me to patches and upgrades all done from a web site. No phone > calls. > 4. IBM zLinux Support - $20K yearly. I wanted the same support as I get from > IBM for z/OS and with this if I have a problem, IBM will create the > patch immediately and then go staff it through the OPEN Source Community. Why have 3 and 4, shouldn't 4 cover for 3? that is what we have done. > 5. z/VM Assembler - go it free off the Internet. Can buy one from Dignis > for about $5K I am told. > 6. I wanted a z/VM & Linux monitor, bought ESALPS from Velocity Software > for $30K. is this license per CPU? > 7. IBM tells you for z/VM's DFSMS/VM you need ISPF/VM for $25K (was > ($50K) and it is not true for cheaper DIRMAINT ($1K S&S) provides same > functions. > 8. I needed to buy RACF/VM to satisfy Auditors even though I only have > three VM users (SYSPROG). It was around $12K & .($2K S&S). > 9. Firewalls can be done with free IPTABLES or multiple IPLTABLES (defense > in depth). > 10. WAS for zLINUX is $25K and then about $4K S&S. > 11. DB2 was about $25K and S&S is also about $4K. > 12. Tivoli/TAMS can be licensed by user so it depends, not that > outrageous. > 13. The IFL engine for me was $120K but I am told it is now $80K and > I know sites where IBM gave you one for free. to us it was more like $90k for the first one. > 14. zAAP engines are only for z/OS and not available for z/VM or zLinux. > 15. I used to train MVS'ers and z/VM troops. Today IBM has a free class > for 3 days for z/VM & SuSe Linux install. My z/OS bigots attended and > in no time they are doing enough z/VM to maintain it. > > > Ok, I run a z/VM LPAR for Production with many Virtual Linux Servers. > I am up to about 32 Virtual Servers and to do web serving, DB2 with IFL > running about 10%. So it leaves me room to bring up more. > > I am looking to transfer a Windows $40K Oracle license to the IFL. Oracle > charges $40K for an engine. So you can do porting for free on any platform > and only need the license when it goes production. So if we port the > application to zLinux, the production license comes too. Now once I have > the license, the next port means I can terminate a $40K license on > Windows. More likely I will just bring up more Oracle's on the zLinux > using the one (1) license I will have. What'a deal. The same goes for > DB2, I can run many at the same price. > > Then there is nothing too shabby about running Virtual Routers and > Virtual Switches under z/VM (free). The network group casting a dim > eye wanting to see something physical.I can talk amongst them using > Hypersockets or a memory to memory transfer. > > I run an LPAR Test & Development LPAR with all the zLinux virtual > machines. > > My SYSPROGs wanted a SYSPROG LPAR for new z/VM's although the learned > about z/VM 2nd level. WOW. > > Is it dirt-cheap, no. Is it cheaper, yes. > > Jim Marshall > > -- > DJ > V/Soft Software > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > In our case, just the savings in Oracle by moving from Sun and AIX plus some savings from zOS (moved some work over saving $300k in zOS licenses) more than compensated for the new costs.
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