Linux-Advocacy Digest #799, Volume #25 Fri, 24 Mar 00 23:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Weak points ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Iridium Tech Support ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Weak points ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: An Illuminating Anecdote ("Colin R. Day")
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: joys of command-line image manipulation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Personal question ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: M$ dosent use own OS?? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Bsd and Linux (Craig Kelley)
Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser. (Craig Kelley)
Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser. (Curtis Newton
@akamail.com>)
Re: Weak points (Terry Porter)
Re: To all Windows 2000/98/95 Fans (Bob Hauck)
Re: Weak points (Terry Porter)
Re: Looking For Linux Training Providers ("ax")
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:15:44 GMT
On 24 Mar 2000 22:09:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian V. Smith)
wrote:
>Give me a break! There is no one in the world who can consistently run
>Windows 95 or 98 (any edition) without random unexplained crashes.
I do it every day running 20+ tracks of digital audio all the while
running real time fx and mixing down to 2 track DAT.
I use Digital audio cards that are unsupported by Linux and seeing as
they can't even get a SoundBlaster Live to work properly, most likely
never will be.
Never crashes...
Never...
My clients would have me tared and feathered if it did :)
Steve
P.S The trick is selecting the correct hardware that will co-exist
properly and not trying out unknown.
>And to say that if it is crashing there must be something wrong with
>an application the user has installed just reinforces the fact that
>the OS is inherently fragile for an application to bring it to its knees.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Weak points
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:19:18 GMT
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 14:22:59 -0600, Codifex Maximus
>
>Oh, so Windows and Mac have all the toys now... hu-ray. That is not my
>point. The point is that Linux is getting more and more of these
>aforementioned toys AND it has all the power that NT promises to Win9x
>users.
Sure I can because digital audio is a business for me and I can't
afford to wait until Linux figures out how to reverse engineer
everything I have working right now under Windows.
>You can't dismiss a platform because it's rival has more established
>toys... if that was the case, we'd still be gaming on Apple II's.
>Codifex Maximus
By toys I meant digital audio. My line of work. Mac has it Win has it.
Linux is dreaming of having it.
Why wait when I can have it yesterday?
I have high hopes for BEOS though.
Steve
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Iridium Tech Support
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:19:56 +0000
ZnU wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry
> McBride) wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> > >
> > >They won't be de-orbiting them over populated areas. That reminds me of
> > >SkyLab, by the way, which after a mind-boggling amount of hysterical
> > >hysteria, ended up squashing a jackrabbit somewhere in backwoods
> > >Australia.
> > >
> >
> >
> > They lucked out. That could have easily been a city...
>
> Not likely. Cities don't occupy a very large fraction of the Earth's
> surface. The chances are probably worse than one in a million.
The surface of the earth has an area of about 200 million square
miles. As the total area of the world's cities is much more than 200
square miles, the probability is greater than one in a million.
>
>
> --
> The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected.
> -- The Unix Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972
>
> ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | <http://znu.dhs.org>
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Weak points
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:21:11 GMT
I'll agree with that statement. If you want beeps and squeeks and the
ability to play a CD and are not really into what's going on with DVD
then go buy a $20 SoundBlaster-16 and Linux will work fine.
If you want state of the art in digital audio go with Windows or a
Mac.
Steve
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 21:45:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
> The real question is: Are those toys enough? For whom are
> they enough? For each platform, the answer to that is going
> to be highly individualistic.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Illuminating Anecdote
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:23:58 +0000
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Don't run Netscape very often, do you? ;)
> >
> > I run Netscape, and yes, Netscape does crash sometimes. However, I've
> > never had it crash X.
>
> Netscape is the only app that I could regularly hose my entire X session on
> a regular basis (at least 3 times a day). It was probably some bug in the X
> server that allowed it to happen, but Netscape was the only app that seemed
> to take advantage of this feature.
And what "feature" is it? Sorry for the delay in responding, but I was out
of town.
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:12:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What's the matter Chad? You've had plenty of time to respond to this.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <8alsm0$lvs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> What children learning software and games are there for your children
>> on Linux?
>
> There is a dire shortage of educational s/w for Linux. I'm not denying
> that. There is some available however and I'm sure the situation will
> rapidly improve. As for games I like the games that you can get for
> Linux and my kids enjoy some of them as well. They use a playstation
> for those other type of games.
>
>> What do they typically use the computer for? Learning? Playing games?
>> Browsing the web?
>
> They use the computer as a tool and not a toy. I have 4 children
> ranging from 17 to 3 years old. The older 2 use ApplixWare and
> StarOffice (they are comfortable with either) for school work. Each
> term they have to make a presentation on a chosen topic to their
> classes. They use netscape to research these projects. They love using
> spreadsheets. Once I showed then how a spreadsheet works their
> imagination for using it quite astounds me. They also use it for
> homework. My youngest daughter, 11, uses Applix and StarOffice for
> writing letters and drawing. She can spend hours doing this. Much
> better than playing games me thinks. My son is 3 and everything in
> life is a toy to him at this time.
>
>> What type of computer education are you giving them simply because of
>> your overly-biased and ignorance-founded hatred for Microsoft?
>
> They are forced to use M$ s/w at school and they are always
> complaining about it. They seem to have little trouble in using both
> OS's however. The older 2 definitely prefer Linux however (by Linux
> I mean the complete SuSE Linux package of course and not just the
> kernel). Their PC is a 133MHz pentium (non-MMX) with 64MB ram. More
> than adequate.
>
>> Are you sacrificing the well being and mental development of your
>> children simply because you're too ignorant?
>
> This is a typical remark from you. It is you who shows ignorance with
> almost every post you make. I have worked in s/w for almost 25 years.
> I watched the rise of M$. I thought this was a great opportunity to
> bring computers to the masses. They have achieved this. Unfortunately
> most people now think computers are supposed to crash. The windows gui
> is pathetic IMNHO. It lacks consistency. Sometimes clicking on a
> window that is not on top brings the window to the front but doesn't
> affect the cursor position. Other times it does. Take outlook, I want
> to copy the email address of someone from the address book. Can't do
> it. Ok I want to type the address into another window. Can't do it. I
> must close the address book window with the email address I want to
> copy first. Absolute crap. With X and a decent window manager (which
> is most window managers) you choose how you want your desktop to
> behave.
>
> I do a lot of work from home. With X it is just like being at my work-
> station at work (albeit a bit slower via isdn but using ssh with
> compression makes it very usable).
>
> So you stick with M$ windows. Just accept that Linux is a viable desk-
> top already. If it is pre-installed there is no reason why the vast
> majority of PC users can't use it.
>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>
>>> And I am sick and tired of this line. My kids use Linux on their
>>> PC (no M$ in this house) and they never use the command-line. They
>>> login via kdm, wm is xfce and everything they need is setup on
>>> the xfce control panel. They use it daily and never complain.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 02:22:42 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sacha Kaercher) wrote:
>
> Netmeeting
Another M$ clasic. No firewall admin worth his salt lets that one through
(of course management give him no option). Hackers paradise thanks to M$. :-)
Remember M$'s 'fix' for this for M$ proxy? Open all ports! These guys are
sooooo funny.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: joys of command-line image manipulation
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:31:16 GMT
I don't understand what you wrote, but somehow jedi I think you and I
agree on this one :)
Steve
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:30:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 18:27:55 +0100, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>It was the Fri, 24 Mar 2000 16:08:51 GMT...
>>...and JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 15:44:25 +0100, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >It was the Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:19:27 GMT...
>>> >...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 01:04:14 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >Shell scripts are indeed a beautiful thing, aren't they?
>>> >>
>>> >> Personally I prefer Sarah Michelle Gellar (Buffy)
>>> >
>>> >Ugh. How old are you?
>>> >
>>> >> but that's MY opinion.
>>> >
>>> >What about cherishing some real-life person you have chances of
>>> >actually falling in love / having sex / having a relationship with?
>>> >Just an idea.
>>>
>>> Unless you're some sort of hypocrite, a little 3rd party
>>> lust should actually enhance your appreciation for the
>>> old bird at home...
>>
>>Mu.
>>
>>(Translation: I'm not silly enough to try to answer yes or no to that
>>kind of non sequitur statement. "Unless you're some sort of
>>hypocrite". What a crock.)
>
> Remain true to your own perversions and you will have to worry
> less about about the differences between some ideal view of
> things interfering with the actual nature of your existence.
> The consideration of some ideal will only serve to reinforce
> your own satisfaction with the choices you've made rather than
> undermine them.
>
>
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Personal question
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 19:37:13 -0600
abraxas wrote:
> Perhaps you should examine your own FUD before ridiculing someone elses.
Where's the fun in that?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ dosent use own OS??
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 01:38:31 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ha! liar.
Have to admit, this was a bit over the edge.
> prove it
>
> "JoeX1029" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > M$ has and may still run on UNIX,
Microsoft's official policy is "we must eat our own dog food".
There are some areas that still use other systems, such as
UNIX and Mainframes for billing, accounting, and customer service
system servers. Microsoft has targeted many of these systems for
replacement with Windows 2000, but did not use NT for obvious reasons.
> > using NT to just serve mail.
That's stretching it big time. Microsoft does use NT for file
servers, web servers, database servers, and other standard
functions in non-critical environments. In situation where
a server failure would cause a drop in the stock price, NT wasn't
being used.
> > They didn't even run on thier own OS.
As stated before, NT does play a major role in Microsoft, and
those areas where other systems are used, Windows 2000 is planned
as a replacement.
The question is whether Windows 2000 will actually solve the problem.
Microsoft is literally betting the farm (this is their 4th attempt
to get a verson of Windows that's "Better than UNIX". Microsoft
is betting that Windows 2000 will be good enough to replace the UNIX
systems in systems like Hotmail. They are hoping that they can
establish Windows 2000 before DOJ actions and Linux turn the IT
desktop industry into a competitive market.
> > Dosent that give you confidence in NT??
Windows 2000 is an public admission of the limitations of NT.
Even the desire to stop using the NT moniker is an indicator
that Microsoft wanted to divest itself of the image of NT.
NT was actually a failure in Microsoft standards. The initial
business plans for both NT 3.x and NT 4.x was that NT would usurp
previous versions of Windows such as Windows 3.1 and Windows 95.
Unfortunately, sales were far below expectations and within days
Bill Gates announced new versions of Windows. About 5 days after
Windows NT 3.x was released, Bill Gates announced Chicago which
became Windows 95. About 10 days after the release of Windows
NT 4.0, Gates announced what would become Windows 98.
Originally, Microsoft was just releasing Windows 2000 as a desktop
to appease corporate users who had been promised Windows NT 5.0
sometime in early 1999. It looks like they are now beginning
to offer Windows 2000 as an upgrade to Windows 9x. I would guess
that Windows 2000 still won't be a "massive success", you aren't
seeing stands containing 100 boxes of Windows 2000 (in many cases,
it's even a blend of Windows 2000 upgrade, Windows 2000 full version,
and Office 2000. It looks like these displays are geared toward
the people who want early access before the corporation begins
deploying the upgrades they purchased in 1998 and 1999.
Meanwhile, the local CompUSA had a huge end-cap that had been stuffed
with Mandrake 7.0, and was about 2/3 empty. The cap looked like it
held about 100 copies per tier and the stand looked like one tier
had been sold out and the second tier had about 20 boxes left, there
was still a tier below it, which was how I guessed at the size.
There was also a nice display of SuSE 6.3 as well. Since I couldn't
find Ghost, I bought one of each.
--
Rex Ballard - Open Source Advocate, Internet
I/T Architect, MIS Director
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 1%/week!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Bsd and Linux
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 19:32:26 -0700
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip about Moore's law]
> Gordon Moore himself then goes on to refer to the same idea. Try
> looking in the dictionary of computing.
Let's get to the heart of the observation:
Gordon Moore agrees that processor speeds double every 12 to 18
months. He doesn't say that it is "a 40% increase" as you claimed.
It's a reason not to trust traditional UNIX DES-based crypted
passwords.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
rec.video.satellite.dbs,alt.satellite.tv,rec.video.satellite.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.infosystems.www.browsers,comp.infosystems.www.browswers.misc
Subject: Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser.
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Mar 2000 19:35:10 -0700
Randy Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Simply amazing.
>
> I just tried to visit http://www.dishnetwork.com, but every
> time it crashed Netscape within visiting one, or at most two
> links off the main page. (I'm running Linux Redhat 6.0,
> Netscape 4.61, and I'm no newbie to Living Without Windows.)
Turn off Java and try again. The JVM that ships with UNIX netscape is
horrible.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Curtis Newton <cnewton<remove-me>@akamail.com>
Crossposted-To:
rec.video.satellite.dbs,alt.satellite.tv,rec.video.satellite.misc,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.infosystems.www.browsers,comp.infosystems.www.browswers.misc
Subject: Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 20:17:51 -0700
Reply-To: cnewton<remove-me>@akamail.com
On 24 Mar 2000 19:35:10 -0700, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Randy Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Simply amazing.
>>
>> I just tried to visit http://www.dishnetwork.com, but every
>> time it crashed Netscape within visiting one, or at most two
>> links off the main page. (I'm running Linux Redhat 6.0,
>> Netscape 4.61, and I'm no newbie to Living Without Windows.)
>
>Turn off Java and try again. The JVM that ships with UNIX netscape is
>horrible.
Agreed, with the Windows version of Netscape (4.72), it works fine.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Weak points
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:23:54 +0800
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:45:29 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:12:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:19:00 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On 23 Mar 2000 23:00:51 GMT, Brian Langenberger
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>SetMeUp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>:> You can't possibly
>>>>:> be serious about the "suck"ness of Postscript printers.
>>>>:> The price is higher in some cases, but so is the quality
>>>>
>>>>: Exactly, higher enough that home users prefer other
>>>>: printers just like Canon, HP, Epson, ... no postscript,
>>>>
>>>>So what "sucks" about them, except for a modest increase
>>>>in price?
>>>
>>>I don't call a couple of hundred dollars, to essentially perform the
>>>same function ie:print, a "modest" increase in price.
>>
>> For a serious printer, a couple hundred dollars really
>> isn't much of an added cost. Fortunately, your assertion
>> that only postscript printers are supported under linux
>> is a LIE. It is fortunate for those of us that have been
>> using non-PS printers for years.
>
>So you won't spend $89.00 for a real, working, supported in mass
>operating system but you will blow a couple of hundred EXTRA dollars
>on a printer that doesn't do anything better than any other $99.00
>printer on the market.
What utter nonsense, how about 10 pages per minute at 600*600 dpi ?
how about lower cost per page, than your $99 Winprinter ?
Steve as usual is stretching the facts right thru Wonderland and back.
>
>Makes a lot of sense to me :(
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Linux does support a wide range of non-Postscript
>>>>printers, but why would I settle for some nonstandard
>>>>printer (with no guarantee to work with different hardware
>>>>or OS)
>>>> when I can get a standards-compliant Postscript or
>>>>HP PCL one?
>>>
>>>Because you want to waste your money maybe?
Your the one throwing money away Steve, how many Versions of Windows, and
Windows programs adorn your software collection ?
(assuming you actualy dont pirate your software)
>>
>> I can get a PCL laser printer for $300 or a PCL
>> deskjet for $100. You're talking out your ass
>> as usual, when it comes to this subject.
>
>PCL and PS are 2 different animals.
Well go to the top of the class Steve :)
>
>PS is supported almost entirely. PCL is better than not supported but
>not to the level of PS under Linux yet.
"better than *not* supported"
Gees Steve, you've really entered the twilight zone now mate!
>
>Start setting up 15 print que's for all of those paper sizes,
>resolutions and so forth.
Why ???
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>: now tell me that printers as are easy to configure at
>>>>: Linux that at Windows ... and I'll tell you lier.
>>>>
>>>>Assuming a network printer, on the printer side it's just
>>>>a matter of setting the IP (in my case on the front
>>>>LCD panel - just a few button presses). On the computer
>>>>side, Printtool just needs me to:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yawn.. Assuming you have a PS printer and assuming Ghostscript or
>>>appsfilter has an entry for it and it supports different trays, paper
>>>sizes, resolutions. But of course you could spend all day setting up
>>>filters and different print que's to do the above.
You could, but you wont need to.
>>
>> I would do that under Windows anyways just for simplicity's
>> sake so that whenever I print I don't have to futz with all
>> the printer options again.
>
>
>Yawn. Another Lino piece of mis-information.
>I am printing a web page and I don't want to waste ink.
You'll need to watch the ink usage with your $99 ink jet, cause youve
been sucked in again, with the promise of nirvana, at little cost. The real
costs start AFTER you buy this $99 wonder, just like the Windows OS, real
costs hit you in *upgrades*.
>
>Windows version:
>
>File->print>box with all kinds of options(resolution,papersize,tray
>etc) appears->select what you desire and hit ok.
>Done.
>Works like this with every printer including Network printers I have
>ever used.
Then you need to get out more Steve. I can speak of numerous Windows network
printers that lock up repeatably, and are HATED by the users.
You can deny this happens as much as you like, but you're not fooling anyone.
Windows is as reliable as its Wintrolls, who sprout endless FUD, appear
under numerous FAKE names, and who have earnt not one bit of credibility
in years of posting.
People like *YOU* Steve/Heather/Teknite et al.
>
>
>Linux version? God only knows.
Not only God, Steve, we also know, you're the only one in the dark.
> Depends on your printer and for the
>ones I have used (Canon 4400 and IBM X24E antique) I had to create 10
>different que's and pick the correct one.
Clueless, just totally clueless <sigh>
> I never did get the Canon
>printing under kde or StarOffice for that matter.
>
>
>
>>>
>>>Under Windows? Pick a printer.
Bulshit, any printer for which there is a Windows driver you mean.
>>> Any printer. You can choose from $99.00
Pieces of crap, cheap junk you mean Steve ?
>>>variety inkjets all the way up to top of the line HP' laser printers
>>>and beyond. They all work and they allow you to use all the features
>>>you paid for easily.
>>
>> You can do the same for Linux. You just have to shop wisely.
>> That's a good idea anyways, so you don't get crap.
>
>No you have to waste money....
Considering the endless Windows upgrade path you're on Steve, I wouldnt
discuss "wasting money" ?
>
>
>>[deletia]
>>>
>>>Not when you want features. Nozzle cleaning, diagnostics,change print
>>>resolution,change paper size and tray, and so forth. All on a $99.00
>>>printer.
All on a $99 piece of junk.
My IBM PS laser doesnt need nozzle cleaning, resolution is controlled
by my Linux app, as is paper size etc.
>>
>> You're not going to have multiple trays on a $100 printer.
>> The rest is quite achieveable with apsfilter or ghostscript.
>
>Envelopes vs Sheet feed....
Manually done on my printer.
>
>Try again jedi... You are losing badly once again.....
No Steve, Jedi is doing fine as usual, you're the one who's having trouble
keeping up.
<snip>
>Mind you the notion that Linux is a serious competitor to the Windows
>desktop is a farce at best.
Only to Wintrolls like you Steve.
>
>Steve
>
>
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: To all Windows 2000/98/95 Fans
Date: 25 Mar 2000 03:25:39 GMT
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:36:47 -0500, Drestin Black
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>Ahhh. New Zealand - exactly the first place I think of when I think of
>cutting edge technology and the most wisened IT personal.... NOT!
Is your back hurting again Drestin? You seem sort of medicated lately.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Weak points
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 25 Mar 2000 11:27:02 +0800
On Fri, 24 Mar 2000 05:51:48 +0000, Arne Adolfsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Do Micros~1 employees get monthly bonuses for this kind of
^^^^^^^^ hahahahahahhah :)))
>stuff?
<Rest of Arne's excellent post snipped>
Hey great post Arne, and very humurous, I'm looking forward to more !
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "ax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking For Linux Training Providers
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 03:30:08 GMT
"reflection" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> ax,
>
> my friend, my buddy, my pal.
>
> I'm SOOO glad you asked that question.
>
> I work for SGI, and we are making a MAJOR commitment to Linux and Linux
> training.
> Please please please, if you or anyone out there needs Linux training,
> support, or high-performance (up to 128 CPU clusters) iron,
> then BY ALL MEANS, come on down to -
> http://www.sgi.com/support/custeducation/us/
> or
> http://www.sgi.com/software/linux/index.html
Thanks for the information. It's a surprise to realize SGI is another Linux
player. I have looked into those SGI Linux courses. They are very
impressive. But, they are still mostly on various subjects of system/network
administration.
I have checked many other Linux training providers, including Caldera
Systems, LinuxCare, Red Hat, IBM, HP, etc,etc. Their Linux training courses
are also mainly about administration. Why those Linux training providers
focus so much on administration? Don't they know that there are more
developers than administrators on the planet?
> ax wrote:
>
> > I am looking for good Unix/Linux training providers.
> > LinuxCare currently offers some Linux training courses
> > but those courses are mostly for system administrators.
> > Are there other training providers which offer courses
> > for software developers?
>
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