Linux-Advocacy Digest #151, Volume #26 Sun, 16 Apr 00 03:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! ("Mark Graybill")
Re: MS caught breaking web sites ("Mark Graybill")
Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!! (Michelle Makitra)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (John Hasler)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (laugh)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! ("Tim Mayer")
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Jim Richardson)
Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary (Christopher Browne)
Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC (abraxas)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (Jim Richardson)
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (Jim Richardson)
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Reply-To: "Mark Graybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Mark Graybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:59:39 GMT
Many believe that Microsoft is not only capable of such things, or have done
or will do such things - so we revel in hearing about them getting caught -
we may even take a stance of dissonance because the pleasure it brings to
know MS was caught is just too hard to let go of.
However, we have to admit that unless we have actually verified technically
for ourselves that it is true, we really don't know and we are just blowing
steam and making waste.
Let's spend our energy in areas we have more control over, like doing our
part in making Linux the most advanced operating system on the planet.
Linux already has the attention of CIOs and CEOs.
Let's give them a show that makes Linux hard to refuse.
-Mark Graybill
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Reply-To: "Mark Graybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Mark Graybill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:04:25 GMT
I forgot to mention that I caught my Outlook Express trying to connect to a
CGI script at a Microsoft website.
Thanks to requiring a proxy, it failed.
-Mark
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From: Michelle Makitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IS FINISHED!!!
Date: 16 Apr 2000 04:17:48 GMT
GET A LIFE........MICROSOFT WILL STILL BE AROUND RULING YOUR ASS AND
KEEPING YOU IN THE DARK CAVES, SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> http://cbsnews.cbs.com/now/story/0,1597,183988-412,00.shtml
>
> Story about how Microsoft made it possible for Redmond and the U.S.
> government to
> spy on everybody who has a MICROSOFT OS!
>
> THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED ANYMORE!!
>
> OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
> OPEN SOURCE IS THE SAFEST!!!
>
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
> MICROSOFT IS THRU!!!!
>
> TELL EVERYONE AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN!!!!
>
> Charlie
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:23:17 GMT
Vlad writes:
> $4 an hour is standard rate for most of the service industry. You may get
> 6 if you are willing to do nightshifts.
If you've got a supply of people who will work for $4 send them to me.
I'll place them all at $7 and pocket a commission. I have to pay $8 for
bucking hay.
> Maybe because its natural for people to help others in need?
Yes, it is. However, people vary in how much help they will give and who
they will give it to.
> Once again cooperation not competition.
Competition and cooperation are not opposites.
> If you dont agrre with your boss, he will promptly fire you because there
> is a line of people willing to do the job, and not only he will fire you
> but also will make sure you never get another job in that area.
You clearly don't live on the same planet I do.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: laugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 01:07:21 -0400
Robert,
What can I say? Microsoft does so many evil things that the story seemed
credible. Have to admit to a certain predisposition towards belief in this area.
Well, I can take some comfort from the fact that Microsoft stock is in
freefall,
and Mr. Bill has lost tens of billions of dollars of net worth.
While that still leaves him a rich man, this means that all those underpaid
Microserfs who have been hoping to retire early on the stock options they were
getting instead of pay will be abandoning ship pretty soon.
So microsofts already glacial software delivery schedule will slow down
even more.
And with Linux growing to 35% of all servers and 10% of desktops this year
alone
(half of those being NT replacements), there won't be much of an audience
for any future releases of windows when and if they do make it out.
Which means even lower stock prices for MS, and so on, and so on. In
business school
they refer to this as a "Death Spiral".
Go ahead and call me a fudster if that eases the pain, just don't put any
money in
Microsoft stock....No, wait, I take that back, please put ALL your money in MS
stock....
Robert Moir wrote:
>
> Hey Fudster, seen this?
> taken from NT bugtraq
>
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From: "Tim Mayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:07:32 GMT
"ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <TX9K4.42135$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Mayer"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
...
> > I think it depends on the application, but isn't the idea of being
> > document centric improved with the relationship of one-document for
> > one-application instance?
>
> To some extent sure, and it makes more of a difference in Windows than
> Mac OS because of MDI stupidity. But the system really _isn't_
> document-centric, so why pretend it is?
Isn't it?
...
> > Odd, but I use it quite a bit. Mostly with IE, but then again
> > selecting the icon is easier than selecting File-New.
>
> That's what keyboard shortcuts are for ;-)
Oh, of course, I forgot about those? :-)
> > The other big one is Visual C++, where I need to work on two projects
> > simultaneously, where each project contains multiple documents.
> > Notepad, Paint and Write also only support the SDI, and so need
> > multiple instances to support multiple documents. After trying both
> > MDI with single instances and SDI with multiple instances, the later
> > is my choice.
>
> Most of this related to the way MDI works in Windows. Things are almost
> completely different in Mac OS. You really can't look at this one issue
> without looking at all the UI issues that surround it.
At least in part. I think the other big advantages of multiple instances
over multiple docs per instance are stability related.
> > > > > Guess we just have more advanced software than you guys do.
> > > >
> > > > Now that the key -- who needs memory manage and PMT anyway.
> > >
> > > This issue has little to do with either.
> > >
> >
> > PMT and memory management both have a lot to due with multiple
instances.
>
> They help to facilitate multiple instances (though Mac OS could deal
> with the memory management stuff just fine if you put the executable
> code in shared libs), but this is really a UI issue more than a
> technical one, at least on single-user systems.
So which multiple document interface is better? To me, Microsoft's is more
consistent, although I prefer multiple instances. With Mac OS, creating
multiple windows for a single instance is unintuitive.
Tim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:59:34 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:47:52 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>>
>> How did the USSR differ from what you propose?
>> If people continue to trade for things in the same way as now, what will
>> you do to make them join your system? If you allow them to simply go on
>> as they wish, then fine, I have no problem, but I know what system I will
>> bet on surviving free competition, and it won't be what you term >>> communism.
>
>No one is goint to make you join, I believe that most people when faced with
>a choice of working for a master (boss) in an opressive hierarchycal
>workplace vs working in a group of equals in a cooperative enviroment will
>chose the later.
ce theory, but you haven't been talking about "bosses" vs "collectives"
you've been talking about how capitalism will die and we'll all give stuff
to each other for free. You first, I need a new laptop... :)
Working for someone has the advantage of taking away a lot of the stresses
involved in running a business. It's not every one's cup of tea. (not
mine for instance) but it's nice to have the choice.
>> Jim Richardson
>> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
>> WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
>> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
>
>How can you be an anarchist ans support capitalism at the same time?
>
How could I be an anarchist and oppose it?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Introduction to Linux article for commentary
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 05:26:26 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Jim Richardson would say:
>>How can you be an anarchist ans support capitalism at the same time?
>
>How could I be an anarchist and oppose it?
I thought that anarchism formally _was_ somewhat antagonistic towards
the notion of "capital."
Or am I perhaps missing the _degree_ of antagonism?
--
Lisp Users:
Due to the holiday next Monday, there will be no garbage collection.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: VA Linux: Worlds most overpriced PC
Date: 16 Apr 2000 05:55:06 GMT
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hahaha ... an "X terminal" is a machine that doesn't run anything besides
> the X server ( like XFree86 ). They're not terribly popular nowadays, but
> I guess you could use one.
In some ways, the modern version is more popular than ever:
http://www.sun.com/products/sunray1/overview.html
I know of a couple of universities that are employing hundreds of them,
and im about to test their viability at my current place of employment
as an alternative workstation setting for upper-level admins.
:)
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:53:20 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:04:25 GMT,
Mark Graybill, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>I forgot to mention that I caught my Outlook Express trying to connect to a
>CGI script at a Microsoft website.
>
>Thanks to requiring a proxy, it failed.
>
This is interesting, is there a way to duplicate it?
(I'd love to capture the packetstream at the server and disect it.)
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:03:32 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 02:05:50 GMT,
Chad Myers, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Dear Chad.
>>
>> Microsoft is asking everybody to delete that .dll.
>> They wouldn't ask us to delete the .dll if it weren't a threat.
>
>Because people are too stupid to set their permissions correctly.
>
>Not to mention that there is a buffer overrun that was discovered (which has
>nothing to do with this false 'backdoor' urban legend) and since this DLL
>is pretty much depricated, MS is just advising to delete it for precaution.
>
>If MS were interested in backdooring your system, why would they tell you
>to delete it?
>
They didn't, until someone *else* found the backdoor.
>> You can't call a guy a moron and an idiot if there's been a story published
>> about a security threat from a Microsoft product, THEN have Microsoft tell
>> you to delete the .dll because it IS a security threat.
>
>But the reason they're telling you to delete it is completely unrelated to
>this crazy "back door" nonsense.
>
oh really? then why have you delete it? the buffer overflow was announced
after the delete suggestion by M$ yes?
>>
>> That just makes you look stupid.
>
>Hmm... truth is stupid? Ok! Then I'm a flaming moronic truth-telling idiot, if
>that's what interest in the truth makes me. I suppose I could be cooler and
>jump on the anti-MS conspiracy and disreguard all fact, evedience and truth,
>like you obviously have.
>
>> If the .dll wasn't a threat then they shouldn't have told the world to delete
>it.
>
>Since the DLL was under intesnse scrutiny, another, rather minor buffer overrun
>was detected. Since the DLL is pretty much depricated, MS didn't see any point
>in
>supporting it. Remember, this was with the FrontPage98 extensions back when
>VisualInterDEV 1.0 was out. No one runs VID 1.0 anymore, so there's no use for
>the DLL anyhow.
>
>
So why ship it in the first place?
>C'mon people, know your facts before you start spouting of this ignorant BS.
>
>> You CAN'T KEEP turning the WORLD into FUDSTERS every time a new BAD THING is
>> EXPOSED about Microsoft products...
>
>Considering nothing was exposed, I guess that makes you not only a FUDSTER,
>but a liar and a defamer, right? Consider it a favor that I'm only calling you
>guys raving lunatics concerned only with FUD.
>
So if nothing was "exposed" then M$ allready knew about the buffer overflow
and the backdoor? that's even better *snort*
>
>> The FUDSTER, moron, idiot campaign carried off by Microsoft Trolls is clearly
>a
>> problem.
>
>Damn that truth! Always hurts when you're smacked by it, doesn't it, Charlie?
>
>> It leads people to believe that using a Microsoft Operating system is a SAFE
>and
>> SANE
>> thing to do!
>
>Of course, there's been no evidence otherwise, why SHOULDN'T they believe this?
*ding ding* clue train leaving station...
>
>> Isn't that just amazing here folks. The press reports the security flaw, the
>> back door.
>> Microsoft says to delete the .dll as it's a security risk.
>
>Microsoft says there's no Backdoor, many 3rd party sources confirm this.
>
>Another group, after validating MS claims essentially says "well, there's no
>back door, but we did find a common buffer overrun that they might want to
>patch"
>
>Well, since no one really uses that DLL in the FP98 extensions, the best,
>quickest, and most thorough way to fix the buffer overrun possible vunerability
>would be to just delete it.
>
>Do you even read this stuff, or do you just start spouting your moronic BS
>without
>thinking?
>
You are being inconsistant.
The backdoor is found and reported, M$ says solution is to delete the dll,
now you say there is no backdoor, and that M$ was telling people to delete the
dll because of a buffer overrun discovered _after_ they said to delete the dll.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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