Linux-Advocacy Digest #151, Volume #32 Mon, 12 Feb 01 13:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Pete Goodwin "Oopsie"! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Peformance Test ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Wintrolls (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux reference distro (Karel Jansens)
Re: Answer this if you can... (Karel Jansens)
Re: Laptop and linux. Which one??? (Karel Jansens)
Re: Answer this if you can... ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Answer this if you can... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone? ("Chris Coyle")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:12:19 +0000
> But, now you've got to look at other things. For example, as your
> printer ages, maybe there'd be some changes made to the postscript
> language. It may not be possible to upgrade the postscript interpreter
> on the printer, but upgrading to a newer version of ghostscript would be
> non-trivial. The extra $$$ you paid for the PS option would probably
> not be worth it then. Of course, how often does the PS language change,
> though? You've got to consider that as well.
That's no problem. Just spend a few CPU cycles running ps2ps, to get
postscript suitable for the printer
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Pete Goodwin "Oopsie"!
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:16:08 +0000
In article <968otk$v7j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <966t04$d4b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> BS.. you setup a que and configure a printer for it. That cat be that
>> hard to understand for a pro like you or is it?
>
> What?
>
> Windows - one printer, one queue. Linux - one printer, n queues.
That's not a genera case. You can have one printer, one queue.
> What's the point?
Here are my queues for my HP500 printer:
dj Standard PS queue
djlow Lo res draft queue
2page fits 2 pages in to one
text High speed text only draft
I could have 1 queue and change the settings every time, but this way is
much faster and easier. What's the point in having only 1 queue when it
is more efficient to have several queues.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Peformance Test
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Feb 2001 04:02:00 +1100
Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Well... This is mostly a joke. I doubt W2k will even RUN on a 486-50
>with 32M. If you get it running, I doubt it'd have the leftover memory
>necessary to run Windows Explorer to look for Exchange in the first
>place.
However, I *was* a bit shocked when my 48M laptop just gave me an
"extremely low on memory. Not enough memory to convert all icons" requester.
What shocked me was that this happened under Windows 3.1 (don't ask if
you don't want to hear a very sad tale of trying to get Win98 to work
for me! :). Come on.....
Bernie
--
Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's
inclination for injustice makes democracy necessary
Reinhold Niebuhr
American theologian, 1892-1971
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:27:31 +0000
>> There is no question that linux is a superior paradigm for the end user
>> who is a professional developer or engineer.
>
> Yes, there is a question. If I switched to Linux right now, I would see
> an instant 100% drop in productivity. Why?
Beacuse you're stupid. Simple, really.
> Not because of the learning
> curve. I'll even give you a bone and forget about that part for now.
> Why else, then? Because there are no good development IDEs on Linux.
Editor wars are as old as usenet. Granted, the pop ups is VC++ are very
nice, but the editor itself sucks compared to vim.
> I
> use Visual J++ on Windows to develop java, and then compile the Sun JDK
> 1.3 compiler to get 100% pure java classes. The VJ++ IDE is awesome
> though because of pop-up method/field lists, the pop-up function
> references with javadoc comments included, among many other features.
> The only closest editor that's this good is JEdit that I've found at
> least. EMacs has too steep a learning curve and I'd be fighting my
> editor, which I don't want to do. I want my editor to work for me, not
> the other way around.
To get your editor to work effectivbely for you, something with some real
power is needed. That's why I use vi.
>> Linux *IS* more stable than windows
>
> Hardly. Windows9x maybe, but not 2000.
Yep. Win2K: MTTF 120 days (or are you going to disagree with your beloved
Micors~1?).
>> You *CAN* integrate your own applications into the system.
>
> But who has the time.
>
>> The tools *ARE* better, and this *WILL* make you more productive.
>
> Most of the tools that I use on Linux I can get for Windows as well. I
> have grep, make, and many others. Other than those type of tools, Linux
> really isn't all that useful.
>
>> Compared to what I have now, my windows pc was a toy.
>
> Well, then you really don't know what you're talking about. You're a
> Unix guy who doesn't have a clue about Windows and feels the need to
> bash it unfairly to hide his own ignorance.
Funny, I thought you were a blinded pillock who thinks that anything that
isn't windows isn't worth it.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:30:39 +0000
>>>You mean you were so stupid you didn't know how to fire up Gnome
>>>Control Center to change font's and keymappings?
>>>
>>>It is a little green work box icon on your taskbar.
>>>
>>>Does not being able to click on this icon and change what you wanted
>>>make you a dumbass sir?
>>
>>Thank you for your kind help. Read some of the literature about this
>>problem, here http://aterm.sourceforge.net/keyboard.html for example.
>>And I think you will have to admit that you are the idiot; GCC does not
>>even begin to cover this problem (smartass).
>
> Who needs to read crap. I have the fucking thing right here nitwit. I
> don't need to *READ* propaganda when I have the working model right
> here.
Woah, calm down. Inbetween insults (and a random comment about GCC) there
is some useful info. Go read that page. It isn't propoganda. If your
delete/bs keys are a bit inconsistent (and inconsistent with machines you
ssh to) it tells you how to fix it at either end. Very useful, actually.
-Ed
> What the *FUC* is wrong with your brain Jackson.
>
>
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:33:28 +0000
>>>There are programmers working for YOU which means you ought to have a
>>>minimum of knowledge about computing ? And then you tell these
>>>ridicoulus stories ? I never believe you are in computing business.
>>>
>> You also ought to have a look here
>> http://aterm.sourceforge.net/keyboard.html before you get too cheeky my
>> lad.
>>
> Please forgive me, Grandmaster M. If you are able to read a webpage, you
> must be some kind of a guru. Now tell me again the story about rpm's
> and your trouble after installation, cut and paste and your
> keymap-problems. When I started with Linux, I didn't know anything
> about OS'es except the famous well-known superior reliable
> Windows-thing. I never had trouble with rpm's; if too lazy for reading
> man rpm, start kpackage and read the list in the little window
> appearing. Click-and-point is your way of computing, I presume. Cut and
> paste does not work ? Hmmm.... . Someone has to write a
> click-and-point-howto for you. And keymap-problems ? I had more trouble
> under DOS than under Linux.
There are keymap problems under Linux/UNIX (espescially when going from
one box to another). It is actually a useful document.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:39:33 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 07:53:55 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Other trolls usenet postings are of no interest to me; I have my hands
>full as it is.
Oh I see your Linux machine has finally arrived :)
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:39:57 +0000
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:50:07 +0000, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Don't be coy, you do know what I mean, trojans in ROOT's current
>>> directory.
>>
>>No I don't know what you mean. Really.
>>
> Well I'll assume that you really don't know...
>
> From "A Practical Guide to Linux" by Mark M. Sobell, p 330...I quote
>
> "CAUTION: Putting the working directory first in your PATH is not
> recommended when security is a concern. For example the first command
> most people type when entering a directory is' ls'. If the owner of the
> directory has an executable file named 'ls' in this directory, then this
> file is executed instead of the system command 'ls', with possible
> undesirable results. If you are running as Superuser you should _never_
> put the working directory first in your PATH. In fact it is quite common
> for the Superuser PATH to omit the working directory entirely. You can
> always execute a file in the working directory by prepending a ./ to the
> name as in ./ls."
>
> Did you really not know that?
Yes, I did know that. I didn't realise you werre refering to it.
>>> Don't! See here http://aterm.sourceforge.net/keyboard.html for
>>instance.
>>
>>
>>Thanks. That was actually really useful. And looks like I was wrong
>>about athena. Well, I never knew all this.
I was refering to the things you could fix that I never perceived as a
problem
> Thank you for your honesty. sO How about solving my problem now instead
> of insulting me?
You posted a rant, not a problem. If you have key mapping problems,
follow the instructions in the web page you posted.
But:
You might have to change <Key> to <KeyPress> for xterm's key mappings.
Other than that, the instructions were very easy to follow.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Wintrolls
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:32:43 +0100
Donn Miller wrote:
>
>
> Microsoft has been known to ship software before all the bugs were worked
> out just to make a deadline. Also, MS has been known to "pump up" version
> numbers to make their software look better than their competitors. Example:
> MS Word jumped from 2.0 to 6.0 on the Windows platform just to make Word
> look more advanced than Word Perfect, which was in version 5.0 while Word
> was still in v. 2.0b. Verdict:: the quality of the software, not the
> version number, is what's most important.
>
Yes, and this was what first made me wary about the quality of
Microsoft software; I mean, a company that thinks that upping the
version number is a serious marketing move? But what is even more
scary: Apparently quite a large number of people actually bought Word
6.0 _because_ of that higher-than-WordPerfect (and AmiPro) number! And
they allow these people to use a computer!! What am I saying, they
allow these people out on the street!!!
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux reference distro
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 11:42:34 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > > "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:3a868e12$0$20218@reader3...
> >
> > I've been running 7.0 on several boxes and not a
> > hint of trouble in sight, but a number of labor reducing
> > enhancements.
>
> You're going to sit there and tell me you're not the least bit aware of all
> the issues surrounding Red Hat 7? You're not aware that Linux has stated
> categorically that RH7 is severely broken?
Who is this "Linux" and why would s/he state something about Red Hat?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:07:05 +0100
John Muir wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 06:47:43 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> Its laughable but I also find that the DOS program MC (Midnicht
> >> Commander) is one of the most productive tools on Linux!
> >
> >I think you mean "mc", not "MC".
>
> Only unix needs this.
>
Because only *nix has not proclaimed dYsLExIA a virtue.
> >It's unclear why you call this a "dos program" but it was
> >written IIRC by Miguel De Icaza, star of "Antitrust".
> >
> Its a Linux clone of Norton Commander a DOS programm from the 80's.
Its _user_interface_ is based upon Norton Commander. And quite nicely
done too.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
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"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laptop and linux. Which one???
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:12:54 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 22:55:06 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias
> Warkus) wrote:
>
> >For example, the Compaq Armada M700/7700 does not support hot-swapping
> >PCMCIA/Cardbus cards under Windows 2000.
>
> Why don't you go and write a decent help file for kde instead of
> adding features that don't work?
>
Translation: "Mommy! That big bully boy dared to disagree with me! I
don't know what to say anymore! Boohoo!!"
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:41:22 +0000
>>Why am I silly? This is the free market, if you want to show to the
>>power-to-be (aka companies), don't buy there products, same with OS's.
>>If Windows or Linux do not suite your requirements, then use another OS.
>> I understand that there are short commings in terms of application
>>inter-operability, but when I do here these complaints, I never
>>hear..."I'll help fix up the problem".
>>
> Ok, fair point but I'm not a (good enough) C programmer to help develop
> Linux (but I do help in eg. Java ng's). Surely bringing to attention
> some of the problems in Linux that turn people off is a positive
You came on to the group wth an insulting rant.
> contribution. Many of the replies here were very condescending when I
> had spent almost an entire day on this BS/DEL problem and its obviously
> non-trivial. That is what is stopping Linux really taking off.
I actuallt followed the instructions on the web page you pointed to. It
took me 10 minutes and it worked perfectly. What isn't working?
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:44:34 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 08:22:09 GMT, "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I honestly believe they can't be that stupid.
Actually I think they can be, and they are growing more arrogant by
the day.
You've heard it from the Flatfish that if MS goes .net / spyware or
whatever it is called, they will be out of the software business in
short order.
>
>
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Answer this if you can...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 17:47:41 GMT
Maybe you should learn to read headers, because I am in NY.
Jeeze and a SunOS user at that.
You should be ashamed of yourself for showing your ignorance to the
God's who inhabit this group.
On 12 Feb 2001 16:34:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rich) wrote:
>Also schrieb John Muir:
>>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Answer this, John:
>
>Why do your and Flatfish and Claire's posts ALL originate from the same
>posting host domain in California?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Chris Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Downgrading to Mandrake 7.2 - did Linux become a windoze clone?
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:55:03 -0500
"Zsolt Zsoldos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi All,
>
> [ETC]
> Is this a new trend or I just picked the wrong distribution ?
> Anybody care to comment on RedHat 7.x or other distribution's newest versions
> from the developer's pont of view ? Are they also stripped down ?
>
> Have a good day,
> --
> Zsolt Zsoldos
Yeah, I also found Mandrake a big disappoinment.
I'm definitely going to avoid that one.
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