Linux-Advocacy Digest #369, Volume #26 Thu, 4 May 00 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Who is "S"?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! ("Otto")
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! (Captain Lethargy)
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
\\..Advice For New Immigrants../// ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Damien)
Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!! ("Mike Palmer")
Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000 (Damien)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Who is "S"??
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 01:56:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JoeX1029 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on 03 May 2000 20:09:32 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Who is this person "S" (in a RE to the Linux whore post someone said
> >"it must be S again" Who is S??
>
> I'm not quite sure how to answer that question.
>
> S had (has?) a distinctive posting style. His main claim to fame
> was ending most posts with an exhortation such as
>
> BUY MSFT PRODUCTS !!!!!
>
> and generally being super-stupid-ignorant and a Microsoft cheerleader,
> in the worst sort of way (he'd severely embarrass most of the current
> Winvocates, IMO). <snip>
He was a day-trader, amateur investor, margin-buyer, who made a bad call
on the Red Hat IPO and got shat on. Seemed to think that he could get
his money back by scaring everyone away from Linux. Voted "most likely
to go postal" by a majority of netizens. Probably either dead (self
inflicted; death-by-cop) or doing time somewhere for assault. His true
identity was discovered and widely published last year just before his
disappearance from usenet.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates
Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 01:59:16 GMT
... you don't have to be so subtle. Don't hold back, tell us what you
really think about MSFT.
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Before you buy.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 21:24:57 -0500
butch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.02/index.html
>
> Microsoft is a FUCKING NETWORK VIRUS! Microsoft has no business
> being involved with the Internet!
>
> Bill FUCKIN' Gates, go back to making interavtive CD-ROMS. The
> Internet does not need your virusware!
>
> Shit man, how many more relatives computers do I have to keep
> fixing because of the Microsoft virus of the fucking week!???
>
> This shit is getting old!
Trust me, if Linux had 90% of the market share, it too would have viruses
like this one. This particular virus does not require any special
priveleges and takes advantage of no security holes. It's a simple trojan
worm that could be written for any OS, including Linux/Unix. All it takes
is to have clueless users that execute content without knowing what it does.
> Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
By the way. What exactly did you have to "fix" on your relatives computers?
This virus doesn't destroy anything but graphic and music files.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:20:20 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Arclight from alt.destroy.microsoft; Thu, 04 May 2000 21:10:41 GMT
[...]
>>And why aren't these
>>file formats backwards compatible?
>
>Because they add new features to office with every release, and the
>old file formats can't handle them.
>
>>Any decent file format would have
>>an extensible design making new versions automatically compatible with
>>older versions.
>
>They are partially compatible, as long as you don't use any of the new
>features.
Entirely incorrect. They are partially *similar*. The ability to use a
filter to translate a document does not make it compatible. It makes it a
document. New features is, to begin with, a dubious excuse, particularly in
Microsoft's case. It becomes a pathetic and offensive lie when there is
direct evidence to the contrary. And I say there is, referring to internal
Microsoft memos indicating this type of strategy, and design/marketing
decisions with no plausible alternative explanation.
File formats. Development tool licensing restrictions. Secret strategies and
flaunting of civilized convention. None of these illegal strategies in their
own right; you're allowed, I guess, to screw your customers if you can get
away with it. All of them potential anti-trust violations when used to defend
or extend a monopoly, though, because then your customers aren't so free to
frown on your tactics as to take their business elsewhere.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:27:49 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Arclight from alt.destroy.microsoft; Fri, 05 May 2000 00:40:11 GMT
[...]
>In theory yes, but can you point to anything which actually does this?
Maybe not now, as Microsoft might have made it a bit too acceptable to screw
the users. But in the very early 90s, WordPerfect 5.1 could perfectly read
and handle a WordPerfect 5.2 document. There were substantial additions made,
too; far more real improvements, though maybe not as many spurious changes, in
both the program and the document structures than in the last few revs of
Word. In WP5.1, all the hidden codes (equivalent of "formats", "fields", and
just about all the other various structures/features in Word) which 5.2 added
were simply identified as "Unknown". The original codes were preserved
completely, however, and the edited document could be transparently passed
between 5.1 and 5.2 users without any real trouble. Assuming, of course, that
the 5.1 user didn't need to edit anything in or directly affected by the 5.2
code. That could get dicey.
I'm not saying an extensible file format is easy or common, nor that I expect
it to be the rule. It isn't the use of a new file format for a new version
that gauls people, really. It's Microsoft's *handling* of it, and purposeful
*use* of it to drive upgrade sales. You'd think if MS was as good as some
people claim, responsible for so much power available to the end user, that
they could figure out a way to NOT screw their customers over whenever they
get the chance?
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 02:28:04 GMT
"butch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.02/index.html
>
> Microsoft is a FUCKING NETWORK VIRUS! Microsoft has no business
> being involved with the Internet!
>
> Bill FUCKIN' Gates, go back to making interavtive CD-ROMS. The
> Internet does not need your virusware!
>
> Shit man, how many more relatives computers do I have to keep
> fixing because of the Microsoft virus of the fucking week!???
Why don't you teach them how to prevent viruses on their machine? Had you
done it at the first time....
>
> This shit is getting old!
Aren't we all....
>
> Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
The last I heard the "NET" was free for all....
Otto
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Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Captain Lethargy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:28:07 -0400
>By the way. What exactly did you have to "fix" on your relatives comput=
ers?
>This virus doesn't destroy anything but graphic and music files.
Uh, I killed it six times at work today, wiped out printing on one pc, we=
b
acess and non outlook email access on another, it replicates itself as ht=
ml,
vbs and other filetypes as described in the earlier posts, and all claims=
of
linux vulnerability to virii is irrelevant, anyone in the IT field knows =
that
Microsoft from the beginning has sacrificed system security in favor of e=
ase of
use, and stability sacrificed as well, and the ignorance of the typical w=
inuser
is obvious if your dumb enough to open a suspicous email from someone you=
dont
know.
Quit your bitching and educate yourselves, or embrace your ignorance and =
live
in fear of the net, that's one less pinhead on the net...
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:38:40 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quoting Davorin Mestric from alt.destroy.microsoft; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:11:01
+0200
>Damien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Another thing, the default on all these programs is to save into the
>> new incompatible file format. Is there reason for this other than to
>> turn the upgrade treadmill? Is there any way to change the system to
>> make it save into the older formats by default?
>
>
> what then is more logical? to save in older format as default? yeah,
>right.
Accept for the problem with document object servers, I had Word, Excel, and
PowerPoint all set to save in older formats by default at one time or another.
Word fell first, as it was truly abominable in trying to support my needs
operationally. Excel then followed a few months later because of translation
problems where older version files would get locked and even corrupted.
PowerPoint lasted the longest, though it was annoying having an extra prompt
or two more often than usual.
What is more logical is having these attempts fail for reasons that I can feel
confident are entirely technical; because MS hasn't figured out how to do it
better yet, but maybe someone else has/can/will. But I'm well aware that even
the most trivial issue often gets weighted towards what will increase customer
lock-in and suppression of competition.
I'm not as wild-eyed as my critics make me out. I only say that MS is
constantly and increasingly making every single decision based entirely on
nefarious intent, nor that none of their services or products are at all of
benefit to anyone, or that they have played absolutely no useful part in the
development of PCs when I'm speaking rhetorically. I am decidedly
non-paranoid, and un-deluded (though no more immune to being wrong than any
other talking monkey).
I'm quite sure that I have read Microsoft memos, statements, and reports
variously leaked or exhibited, a number of times over the last decade, which
quite convincingly indicate that Microsoft has consciously made decisions
concerning this very topic of document file formats, in which the capability
to defend the monopoly was weighed against supporting customer requirements,
and defending the monopoly won. This is a very bad thing.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: \\..Advice For New Immigrants..///
Date: 5 May 2000 02:11:20 GMT
If you are feeling unwelcome in a country they just recently kicked
the door down on, perhaps they could take a few tips to ease their adjustment.
And a few social tips:
1. Understand you are in a foreign country, probably illegally. The
language barrier is of your own making and is not a responsiblity of the
host country.
2. Stop complaining. No one owes you anything, and the freeloader and
whiner rolls are already full. Remember that you would not remain here
unless the situation was much better than at home.
3. Expect that most people you meet will honor your culture, traditions and
laws only to the extent that you honor theirs. Understand too that illegal
immigrants come from the back of the line in their own country and their
presence causes a burden on the social and economic resources of the
communities they settle in. Since many of you are poor and unskilled, you
wind up on the welfare rolls. Those who do pay naturally resent your hands
in their pockets. Many workers, especially in the construction industry,
have been displaced since your arrival.
4. No nation is morally or legally obligated to accept another nation's
underclass. Therefore, since legal immigration is a privilege, it is best
to be grateful. And since illegal immigration is a crime, it is wise to
stop demanding all the time.
Which leads last to point #5;
5. Obey the immigration laws of the country one currently finds oneself.
Of course, compliance with #5 would eliminate the problem altogether since
most of those who are complaining of feeling unwelcome would have to leave.
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Aodkb ngm bulm ebuq betu irv lfzo?
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.bill-gates,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:51:58 -0700
Reply-To: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"butch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> http://cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/05/04/iloveyou.02/index.html
>
> Microsoft is a FUCKING NETWORK VIRUS! Microsoft has no business
> being involved with the Internet!
>
> Bill FUCKIN' Gates, go back to making interavtive CD-ROMS. The
> Internet does not need your virusware!
>
> Shit man, how many more relatives computers do I have to keep
> fixing because of the Microsoft virus of the fucking week!???
>
> This shit is getting old!
>
> Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
I had a very good friend of mine send me the HAPPY99.EXE virus
some time ago. Of course, I was not foolish enough to run it,
as I never run anything that I am not sure of. And while I
might normally classify a poster such as butch as a mere anti-
Microsoft fanatic as a result of this post, I really have no
right to in this case.
This is indeed, a very annoying problem, and it does invoke
some of that resentment towards people who don't understand
computers well enough to prevent their sending virii such as
this to their unsuspecting friends and family.
When I was sent the HAPPY99.EXE file, I was actually very
pissed. Here I was, trusting my friend to send me only
material that I could trust to have resident on my system,
and boom... I have a virus in my mailbox. *sigh* Butch,
I have to say that in this case, I do feel you pain.
Here's what I suggest:
If you are using Windows95, or Windows98, try using telnet
to run a remote pine session on your ISP shell account
(assuming you have one), and check your messages before
you give OE the go-ahead for downloading them. This way
you can knock out anything that looks suspicious. I
realize that the fact that many virii piggyback on friendly
messages makes this much more difficult to deal with, but
it's still safer than an immediate download.
And BTW, indeed, fixing relatives computers is very annoying.
They often expect you to work for hours (which you end up
doing), and at the same time, they bombard you with questions
that you really don't feel like answering. At least, mine do. :-)
Don't get me wrong, folks. I really do like Microsoft's
products, I really do, and I really don't have anything
against the less-learned in the computing community, but
this virus propagation really is very highly annoying,
and I can understand butch's outburst.
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 05 May 2000 03:07:01 GMT
On Fri, 05 May 2000 00:40:11 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
Arclight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| On 05 May 2000 00:28:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien) wrote:
| >| They are partially compatible, as long as you don't use any of the new
| >| features.
| >
| >But a well designed file format would degrade well. Uses of programs
| >that don't support the newer version of the file format would still be
| >able to work with those files transparently, albeit without being able
| >to edit and view all the newest, whiz-bang features.
|
| In theory yes, but can you point to anything which actually does this?
SGML, HTML, TeX, httpd.conf. . . that's all I can come up with right
now. I think postscript, and dvi would qualify too but I don't know
enough about them to say for sure.
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From: "Mike Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft: STAY THE FUCK OFF THE NET!!!
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:08:22 -0700
Reply-To: "Mike Palmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"butch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
[unintelligent portions snipped]
>
> -*- butch -*-
Huh? Sorry, did someone say something?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Damien)
Crossposted-To: alt.lang.basic,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: QB 4.5 in Win 2000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 05 May 2000 03:09:12 GMT
On Fri, 05 May 2000 02:03:10 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
Rico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
|[EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned:
| >On Thu, 04 May 2000 23:05:16 GMT, in alt.destroy.microsoft,
| >Rico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >
| >| I'm missing your problem here, if you want to stick to a particular
| >| version of a product, buy an open license. Then if MS stops selling, so
| >| what, buy a new computer in what ever year you pick, install from the same
| >| old CD you installed every other copy in the office from. Better still
| >| stick the CD in the CD server and log the 'new' PC into the lan and run
| >| the install script. Let 3Com and cat5 wiring do the work.
| >|
| >| For an individual, as you upgrade computers, just install your original
| >| license on the new machine.
| >
| >But if the new computer isn't a replacment? Now you have two
| >computers and one Office 5 license. What do you do?
|
| Open license
MS sells software licenses that allow you to install the software all
the new computers you buy?
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