Linux-Advocacy Digest #607, Volume #26 Sat, 20 May 00 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Your office and Linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Virus, Worse Than Loveletter -- VBS.NewLove.A (Loren Petrich)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost (Loren Petrich)
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Your office and Linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Erik Fuckingliar does it again (Gary Connors)
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks ("Jim Ross")
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks ("Jim Ross")
Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX ("Bracy")
Re: Bargmen digest, volume 2451353 (tholenbot)
Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks ("Jim Ross")
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Your office and Linux.
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 22:25:06 -0600
In article <8fvq1n$18qk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> *snip some badly wrapped lines*
>
> Maybe if you used a newsreader that didnt suck ass to
> post your message, your lines would have wrapped properly.
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
> -----yttrx
>
>
Whoa...attitude!
I had no
problems reading
his post .
What's your problem?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Virus, Worse Than Loveletter -- VBS.NewLove.A
Date: 20 May 2000 03:26:28 GMT
The Love Bug reminds me of what the bad VacBobs say in Bungie's
first-person shooter Marathon Infinity:
"I love you, man!"
"Wah, hah hah, hah hah!"
as they run to you and ...
... do something like what the Love Bug does.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:32:53 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>
> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
> an expert at this method.
Oh, so what version of Windows is now shipping with TeX/LATeX,
emacs, gcc, python, perl, etc.
>
>
> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>
It's great. KDE is gorgeous. And Netscape doesn't associate
Visual Basic scripts with an interpreter.
>
> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
> Linux, let us know why.
>
> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>
> Simon
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: 20 May 2000 03:36:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In all fairness if you want to lay "blame" for that (if you consider it
>>something that deserves to be "blamed" on someone) you would have to lay it
>>on Apple. After all, as the Mac advocates are so proud of trumpeting, they
>>did pioneer that whole document-centric GUI thing.
>Oh, that's very possible. I have exactly zero experience with the Mac,
>so I really can't say. I do consider it a problem, though, that email
>content can be executed from within the mail client. If that is also
>common on the Mac, they are at fault just as well.
My experience with MacOS-native mailers is rather limited, but in
it, autoexecuting of executable content is uncommon.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:54:39 GMT
Total investment over 5 years:
$89.00 Windows 98
Nothing for Windows 98SE (online update)
$149 Win 2000
So that's $238 over 5 years which amounts to $47.00 per year.
I have spent far more on Linux distributions, books and such in that
span of time and gotten far less USEFUL stuff.
On Sat, 20 May 2000 01:12:28 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 May 2000 00:31:39 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>>Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>
>>Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>>edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>
> ...the only catch with this is the $$$'s. It costs good
> money to be up to date with Windows, unless you pirate.
>
>[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:55:24 GMT
And who in their right mind needs such stuff?
Geek crap.
simon
On Sat, 20 May 2000 03:32:53 +0000, "Colin R. Day"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Try Linux, that is all I ask. Try Suse, Caldera, Redhat,
>> Mandrake,Slackware, Corel, whatever, for yourself.
>>
>> Try it and compare it to the Windows that you now use. A current
>> edition of Windows, not Windows 95 or 98 without updates. This is a
>> favorite trick of the LinoScrews, to compare a current version of
>> Linux to an outdated version of Windows. Terry "The porter" Porter is
>> an expert at this method.
>
>Oh, so what version of Windows is now shipping with TeX/LATeX,
>emacs, gcc, python, perl, etc.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Try Linux, please try it. Decide for yourself. And then please come
>> back here and post your experiences with Linux.
>>
>
>It's great. KDE is gorgeous. And Netscape doesn't associate
>Visual Basic scripts with an interpreter.
>
>
>>
>> If you like Linux, great, you have found a new life. If you hate
>> Linux, let us know why.
>>
>> Try Linux and see for yourself....
>>
>> Simon
>
>Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Your office and Linux.
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 03:57:20 GMT
Doubtful seeing as you keep resending the same message over and over
again.
Tell me, when is the *nix world going to get a decent Newsreader?
simon
On 20 May 2000 00:53:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
wrote:
>On 19 May 2000 20:55:50 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>*snip a whole bunch of unwrapped lines*
>>
>>We can wrap lines, winfag.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----yttrx
>
>I hadn't ever used pan before (obviously).
>He said using pan would make me a serious user.
>Maybe my use of slrn will be more to your liking.
>
>jt
>
>P.S. You usually come up with something better than winfag
>8^)
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From: Gary Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Erik Fuckingliar does it again
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 23:53:35 -0400
in article 391b8b26$4$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Bob Germer at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 5/12/00 12:40 AM:
>
>> I know of no Microsoft applications that make use of that API other than
>> through other API's like MAPI.
>
> You know absolutely nothing, you product of a dirty test tube and a
> diseased pig.
>
Irrelevent.
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:03:27 -0400
<snip>
>
> Satisfied?
Very.
Jim
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:27:23 -0400
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 20:36:57 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:8g0sl1$q5j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> : I wonder if you have an alternate explanation Jedi for why Linux
isn't
> >being
> >> : used much on the desktop.
> >> : I don't know anyone using it on the desktop. I personally can't
stand
> >using
> >> : it in that roll for over 20 minutes at a time myself.
> >>
> >> I don't particularly enjoy using Windows for any length of time,
myself.
> >> But that's beside the point. People don't use OSes to move the
> >> little windows around; they use them for the apps. When Linux
> >> gets the killer app people need to have on their "desktop", people
> >> will switch to Linux. Forget ease of use. Forget stability.
> >> It's all about apps.
> >>
> >> Linux has all the apps I want. Now we just need to write something
> >> everyone else can't live without.
> >
> >I always hear the apps issue is off-limits.
> >It is in fact the most important issue on a desktop machine.
> >Linux doesn't have as many high-quality GUI apps as Windows does.
>
> Alternately, most Lemming users don't use as many high-quality
> apps as Windows has and quite often MS Advocates will only
> advocate using far fewer 'high-quality apps' as Windows has.
>
> That's one of the annoying bits about WinDOS culture.
Just the availability of apps is a good things.
I don't even need to use more than 10 to be able to appreciate that.
Windows must have 5-10x more GUI apps.
>
> >
> >In addition in the email I was trying to say in addition Linux doesn't
have
> >all the
> >infrastructure to even have all the Windows apps ported.
>
> It will be interesting watching you support that assertion,
> assuming you bother...
Direct X, which although not a standard like OpenGL, it seems
more customized to each app, maybe for that reason.
Thread support seems more mature.
At the Linux Business Expo at Comdex, someone I can't remeber his name
was giving a talk who was from CodeWeavers. They use Wine, but focus on
the porting of Windows apps to Linux. He mentioned the missing calls that
are powerful in
the Windows API that are missing from Linux, thus causing many problems. He
mentioned the
name of a call specificaly which I can't remember (hey I don't program),
but it was basically a "wait for multiple events" thread that Linux lacks
and it hinders porting.
I understand 3D support lags behind that of NT a fair amount.
Jim
>
> --
>
> In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of'
|||
> a document? --Les Mikesell / |
\
>
> Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is NO reason to use Linux...It just STINX
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:36:46 GMT
You're not running Windows all by itself. You've installed
other applications on top of all that -- applications you paid
for, unless you're pirating.
Add up all the software you've installed on top of Windows.
Bracy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Total investment over 5 years:
>
> $89.00 Windows 98
> Nothing for Windows 98SE (online update)
> $149 Win 2000
>
> So that's $238 over 5 years which amounts to $47.00 per year.
>
> I have spent far more on Linux distributions, books and such in that
> span of time and gotten far less USEFUL stuff.
>
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bargmen digest, volume 2451353
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:43:01 -0500
Typical improper digest format. How predictable.
--
On what basis do you claim "this is the end, my only friend, the end"?
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From: "Jim Ross" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ten Reasons Why Linux Sucks
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:18:13 -0400
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 18 May 2000 20:51:56 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> >JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Thu, 18 May 2000 01:24:53 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> On Wed, 17 May 2000 20:28:05 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Tim Koklas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> >> Ian Bell wrote:
> >> >> >> > Trial versions? Maybe they're good when the full version costs
> >more
> [deletia]
> >> >> If that's all that you think is missing then you are going
> >> >> to be quite dissapointed.
> >> >
> >> >No.
> >>
> >> Certainly. Both the major desktops already have anti-aliased
> >> font suppot and the standard X server just got support for it
> >> as well.
> >
> >Can you tell me which versions of KDE and X server has it?
>
> Xfree 4.0.
OK. I'll have to look again.
I just switched to 4.0 myself.
>
> >I'd like to upgrade to that version as lack of anti-aliased fonts are
> >unacceptable to me.
> >
> >StarOffice 5.1 is a good example of an app where the fonts look
unreadable
> >at most point sizes.
>
> No they don't. They're quite readable even at msword default sizes.
> This is simple exaggeration, or fabrication.
Maybe I see better. I can tell when fonts are sub-par.
I hear fluorescent lights too and that's annoying.
>
> >I've installed XFree86 4.0
> >Are you saying I ran StarOffice 5.1 under XFree86 4.0 and installed some
> >TrueType fonts from Windows into it, the fonts don't look insane as
> >they have in the past?
>
> No, I'm willing to state that Star's Font's don't look 'insane'
> even under Xfree 3.3.
>
> Unfortunately, commercial developers seem allergic to font servers
> that are not their own.
Hmm. They seems to when I was at the Linux Business Expo at Comdex.
A XFree86 developer even pointed it out.
He mention the AA support was being worked on.
>
> >This would be great if that were true.
> >
> >>
> >> [deletia]
> >> >I wonder if you have an alternate explanation Jedi for why Linux isn't
> >being
> >>
> >> 10 years of forced bundling and the perception that it 'runs
> >> everthing'. REAL people don't give a SHIT about 'antialised'
> >> fonts. They want their pet applications to work and to be able
> >> to deal with the cruft other people send them.
> >>
> >> [deletia]
> >
> >I understand your point.
> >I also think you are 100% wrong.
> >
> >Here is why.
> >Say I have my pet apps and fonts look extremely bad like in StarOffice
5.1
>
> What does that have to do with HISTORY?
>
> Along with 'history' comes legacy. One has to deal with all that
> data you've accumulated over the years in formats that will likely
> not be completely decoded in anyone else's applications.
>
> In some niche's, this even works AGAINST msword.
OK.
I'd prefer well defined DTDs and XML file formats myself.
>
> >does for me.
> >I can't really use that for hours on end without eye strain, and add
other
> >issues like
>
> This is pure fabrication.
I think it's well known X has trouble using refresh rates as high as ones
video card and
monitor can support. That's been my experience. NT can always go higher
than X does.
>
> >copy/paste that often doesn't work between toolkits (QT & GTK), lower
> >refresh rates, etc.
>
> Actually Cut/Paste is a part of the X server itself so it is
> unlikely not to work. It working as designed isn't the problem.
> Although, a user like you is unlikely to need a true clipboard
> anyways.
If you mean a clipboard that supports more than pure text you're right.
A copy in KEDIT doesn't seem to be able to be pasted in GEDIT in my
experience.
I would swear KDE apps use their own clipboard only.
>
> [deletia]
> >> ...thus why a superior MacOS lost.
> >>
> >> History has already contradicted your assertions at least once.
> >
> >Maybe.
> >But I'm telling you anti-aliased fonts are in fact critical.
>
> Yeah, sure they were critical when DOS was still very much
> exposed to the end user underneath Windows, sure they were
> critical when DOS was the only interface available.
I still find them so.
>
> [deletia]
>
> Even that 'excuse' won't be around for much longer.
>
> It will be interesting to see what sorts of speculative fiction
> you come up with then.
You'd be surprised how less pissed I'd be when I felt comfortable
switching fully from Linux to NT. I've wanted to since 97/98 and still
don't
think Linux can give me a good desktop environment that I'm happy with yet.
Maybe I'm getting wrestless.
We do seem to always do battle Jedi here in the newsgroups.
I don't really don't have a problem with you or Linux.
I'm glad you're around, your posts are usually a good read.
Jim
>
> --
>
> In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of'
|||
> a document? --Les Mikesell / |
\
>
> Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
' The QPL requires software be free (as in free beer). It also requires
' you to submit any software you link with QT to them, even if it is not
' distributed and from the wording it seems that they want you to give
' them unlimited rights to even your own personal (again, non
' distributed) programs that you link to Qt.
It requires your software to be GPL, if you use the Qt Free Edition.
Naturally, if you don't like that, don't use Qt.
Perhaps the project idea requested should be a free C++ library that
does what Qt does. It should probably be a clone that you can build
KDE against. Otherwise, no one may want it.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:03 GMT
"Anthony W. Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' And as a result of SuSE predating RedHat, SuSE rpms are incompatible
' with RedHat ones :-( I wish they'd switch to dpkg, but I bet there would
' be incompatibilities with Debian there too - for the same reasons -
' maintaining backwards compatibility breaks sidewards compatibility :-(
It is the RPM BS that has caused me to abandon that format whenever
possible. Instead, I prefere to install software from source.
Packages that conform to the ./configure, make, make install mantra
are easy to build and put where you want them. You don't have to
worry about dependencies because ./configure should discover if
required libraries can not be found.
Granted, this is not the way most users want to operate. But until
all the distros adhere to the FHS strongly enough and stop adding
their own hacks (patches) to the code, this is the most reliable way
to go.
I've even updated GCC and libc this way. That took a while on my
hardware.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
All bits are significant. Some bits are more significant than others.
-- Charles Babbage Orwell
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