Linux-Advocacy Digest #957, Volume #26 Wed, 7 Jun 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Innovation (Cihl)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Bob Germer)
Re: Innovation (Cihl)
Re: Innovation (Cihl)
Re: Innovation (Cihl)
Re: Innovation (Cihl)
Please Advice Me (horace franklin iii)
Re: Bob's Law ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The sad Linux story (Neil Cerutti)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Please Advice Me ("James")
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SVGALib ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SVGALib ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Jack Troughton)
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Innovation
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:04:55 GMT
Hugh Lawson wrote:
>
> On Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:47:02 GMT, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In a reply to someone, i reminded myself of the fact that the
> >Linux-community as a whole hasn't really come up with any good
> >innovations yet. We're blaming Microsoft for something we're ourselves
> >guilty of.
>
> I think the rpm (RedHat Package Manager)and the corresponding Debian
> package manager are vastly superior to the Windows provisions for
> (un)installing programs.
>
> --
> Hugh Lawson
> Greensboro, North Carolina
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
These package managers are great, as any Linux-user with a little
experience will agree, especially when just with some kind of
(graphical) visualization. Although it's better, you shouldn't compare
it to anything Windows offers, though. Being better than something
else doesn't make it good. These managers still need better facilities
for naming conventions and good descriptions, for example.
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From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:05:07 GMT
On 06/07/2000 at 06:31 PM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich) said:
> >> >The Mac OS failed because it was rejected by American business which
> >> >adopted the Intel platform because of much superior software,
> >> Superior in what way?
> >There were at least 5 major word processing programs for the Intel
> >platform in 1984 when these decisions were made, WordStar, Word,
> >WordPerfect, Volkswriter, and one whose name I don't recall.
> However, were they comparable to MacWrite in WYSIWYG features?
I don't use WSYIWYG nor do most of my clients. Unless one turns the
monitor on end and rotates the display it is unrealistic and one needs a
huge monitor to read in full page mode anyway.
> >> Plastic bubble game consoles???
> >That's how I classify the Mac.
> Good Grief!
> >> Have you ever *used* one?????
> >Unfortunately, yes. They are very, very, very limited in their choice of
> >software lacking a serious spreadsheet, a serious database program, etc.
> And what would qualify as these?
Excel is a weak sister compared to 1-2-3. Notes on a Mac is far more
limited than on a PC. Nothing on the Mac can handle what DB/2 can and
does.
> >They totally lack expansion capability. Where, for example, is one going
> >to install 4 additional hard disks?
> E-Z. Simply plug them into the SCSI port or the FireWire port.
Now I have to buy a second machine. Good Grief!
> > How many different video cards are
> >available?
> I will concede that the Macintosh is behind there, but those available
> are usually good ones.
There are far better ones for the PC.
> > How can I install 16 additional communications ports?
> A network hub would be good for that.
I don't need anything more than 2 expansion slots.
> > How can I
> >install four additional printer ports?
> Printer ports? What's the need for special printer ports?
Well, I have a color laser. I don't use that except for color jobs. It is
slower than the laser printer which I use for most work. I also have a
business card/label printer.
> > Where do I put a second and third
> >CD Rom drive?
> Make them external.
Why should I take up additional space, additional power for a second power
supply and run a forest of cable when I can put it all inside my PC?
> > Which place do I install an internal Zip drive and a second
> >floppy drive?
> If worst comes to worst, one can make them external.
More wasted floor space, desk space, and electricity.
> >Plastic bubble toy seems just about a perfect description of a Mac. Its
> >biggest option is the color of the bubble.
> I've had no trouble adding stuff to the Macs I used. Do you mean the
> iMac or something?
Nope, I was talking about a PowerMac G4. I have in front of me the specs.
The URL I got them from was www.apple.com/powermac/specs.html. It comes in
a sort of football shaped plastic cabinet that is not likely to survive
two months with the cleaning people and their hotrod vacuum cleaners.
--
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Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 12
MR/2 Ice 2.19zf Registration Number 67
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Innovation
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:07:05 GMT
KLH wrote:
>
> > In a reply to someone, i reminded myself of the fact that the
> > Linux-community as a whole hasn't really come up with any good
> > innovations yet. We're blaming Microsoft for something we're ourselves
> > guilty of.
> > Everything we have is basically copied from Unix, Apple and Microsoft.
> >
> > Maybe it would be good to start a thread about this. Would anybody
> > have any ideas? Is anybody missing something from the whole of OS's?
> > Please, no trolls/flames about Linux being 'perfect', because nothing
> > ever is, there's ALWAYS room for improvement. No comparisons with
> > other OS's either, please. Try to make this a pure Linux issue.
> >
> > Maybe somebody has an good idea for better user interaction? For
> > instance, talk to your computer and have it respond by talking to you,
> > or something. Good ideas for interaction with the physically/mentally
> > impaired?
> >
> > Maybe there are some good ideas about performance or computer
> > architectures? Endokernel/Exokernel? Something other than CPU/MEM/IO?
> > Neural networks?
>
> I have lots of ideas for the user interface.
>
> Like a light-gray shadow cursor that will show where the text cursor will be
> if you click their. Or miniwindows behind the current application that peek
> out along the sides of the screen, click on a mini-window and the two
> applications swap.
>
> But as always, if you want to put innovative stuff in there, you need to
> write the code.
Did you pass these comments to the Gnome and KDE teams. They may be
interested.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Innovation
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:08:08 GMT
Fro-Man wrote:
>
> Someone's been reading slashdot yesterday... ;>
>
> # Aaron Day # [EMAIL PROTECTED] # http://www.csis.gvsu.edu/~daya #
>
> That which doesn't kill us, sure as hell hurts a lot...
Who? :-]
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Innovation
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:12:25 GMT
Erik de Castro Lopo wrote:
>
> Cihl wrote:
> >
> > In a reply to someone, i reminded myself of the fact that the
> > Linux-community as a whole hasn't really come up with any good
> > innovations yet. We're blaming Microsoft for something we're ourselves
> > guilty of.
> > Everything we have is basically copied from Unix, Apple and Microsoft.
>
> GNU/Linux has innovated. Its a reliable, stable, versatile OS which
> is available for free (beer and speech) AND is going to threaten
> Microsoft. Thats innovation.
You got a point there. You sure need to be innovative to be able to
hurt Microsoft in any way. While it's not that hard to beat Windows
technically, it is all the harder to beat them at marketing though.
Linux development works it's hands to the bone to get a more stable
OS. All Microsoft has to do is slap a big yellow tag on the
shrink-wrapped box, saying it's stable. Pathetic really.
> In terms of software and interfaces, Linux first has to play catchup.
> THEN the innovations will come.
I believe the development base for Linux is big enough to play catchup
AND make innovations at the same time. It's, after all, not a company,
but an entire community!
> Erik
> --
> +-------------------------------------------------+
> Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> +-------------------------------------------------+
> The difference between a violin and a viola is that a viola
> burns longer.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Innovation
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:13:54 GMT
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> The one cool thing happening that is definitely inovative in the Linux
> world is in user interfaces. Of course, any of them can be used on any
> Unix, but Linux is the driving force behind many of them. Look at
> Enlightenment for one example (maybe you don't think it's innovative,
> but it looks pretty cool, and doesn't seem to be things that have been
> done before). The best though is something called 3Dsia that is being
> developed. I played around with the original demonstration version of
> it and it rocks. It is a 3D user environment. The eventual hope is
> that the network and local directories will appear in the 3D view
> together. Also, it looks like you will be able to see other users and
> where they are in the environment (for multi-user environments). It is
> really a very interesting and extremely innovative idea. It completely
> throws everything we "believe" about user environments out the window
> and starts with a fresh perspective. If you want to check it out it's
> at http://threedsia.sourceforge.net . It is definitely worth a look if
> you are interested in seeing computer use change from the usual flat
> thinking "Windows" type of environments.
>
> Nathaniel Jay Lee
This is EXACTLY the sort of thing i'm talking about!
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From: horace franklin iii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Please Advice Me
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:20:22 -0500
I am considering installing some version ofthe Linus OS on my PC. It just
seems to me that there are too many versions. How do I decide which one
is the best for me? There are the free versions, debian, etc. and I would
even consider investing in some of the ones that must be
purchased(Mandrake, red hat, etc.). The only thing I would like to know
is that I'm getting the best product for the money to meet my computing
needs. I'm not hardcore in multimedia, but I would at least want to be
able to play all of my multimedia files. I'm a comupter science major, so
a c/c++ compiler would be a must, a word processor, and a wide array of
security settings would be appreciated. Also I'd need full supply of
driver support. I'm open to any type of input you could offer, whether it
applies directly to my questions or not. I'm not very familiar with Linux
so I would like to learn as much about Linux itself as possible.
References to good artices or websites are also welcome. Please help me
if you can. Thank you in advance for your time, and your help. Please
reply directly to me.
Horace
Work as though it all depends on you, but pray as though it all depends on
God.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bob's Law
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:37:53 GMT
Bob Lyday writes:
> Bob's Law invoked. Tholen mentioned. Thread is now officially dead.
Illogical.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
Date: 7 Jun 2000 18:51:47 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:
>The deletion confirm thing is not a solution. Users get used to
>just typing yes, and just do that everytime. People want to
>system to do its job, not get in the way like Linux and Windows
>like to do.
The interactive version of rm is much safer than your paragraph
above indicates. With the -i option rm prompts you for an answer
each and every file before taking action.
--
char NeilCerutti[]= "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: 7 Jun 2000 14:57:33 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Really? Can you give me a link to more information abou this
>>>Solaris and Linux port of DCOM?
>>
>>I think it died young -
>Actually, there's a new WROX book that I just saw on the shelf the
>other day entitled "Professional Linux Deployment" that has a
>chapter all about how to install the EntireX DCOM implementation
>on Linux.
>
>It looked interesting, in a largely appalling sort of way...
Aha, rumors of death were slightly exaggerated. All of the
old links pointed to something I couldn't tell was the
same company and it isn't directly mentioned as a product,
but:
http://www3.sagasoftware.com/cgi-bin/framer.exe?type=full&addr=http://www3.sagasoftware.com/site/solution/som/entirex.htm
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please Advice Me
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:00:18 +0200
Try Mandrake 7.1.
"horace franklin iii" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I am considering installing some version ofthe Linus OS on my PC. It just
> seems to me that there are too many versions. How do I decide which one
> is the best for me? There are the free versions, debian, etc. and I would
> even consider investing in some of the ones that must be
> purchased(Mandrake, red hat, etc.). The only thing I would like to know
> is that I'm getting the best product for the money to meet my computing
> needs. I'm not hardcore in multimedia, but I would at least want to be
> able to play all of my multimedia files. I'm a comupter science major, so
> a c/c++ compiler would be a must, a word processor, and a wide array of
> security settings would be appreciated. Also I'd need full supply of
> driver support. I'm open to any type of input you could offer, whether it
> applies directly to my questions or not. I'm not very familiar with Linux
> so I would like to learn as much about Linux itself as possible.
> References to good artices or websites are also welcome. Please help me
> if you can. Thank you in advance for your time, and your help. Please
> reply directly to me.
>
> Horace
>
> Work as though it all depends on you, but pray as though it all depends on
> God.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:02:09 GMT
> On 06/06/2000 at 05:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
>
> The term "Canadian" was used before conferation to
> refer the colonials living in the Canadas. [...]
] In article <393e3e8e$5$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
] Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
]
] No, it was not. While citizens of Great Britain living in Canada
] (or India, Ireland, etc.) than those home in the British Isles,
] they did not have an army of their own, could not wage war on
] their own, etc. They were residents of Canada serving in the
] British Army. Even if they were authorized to have militias,
] those militias were part of the British Army in wartime.
Not all British subjects living in the Canadas at the time were
British citizens. The term "Canadians" was used at the time.
Militias did exist and fought besides and with British Army
regulars. The British forces in North America were commanded
by Prevost acting as Governor-in-Chief and stationed in the
Canadas. Basis ... "American Military History, Army Historical
Series from the Office of the Chief of Military History, United
States Army", the Encyclopedia Britannica and other easily obtained
sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/amh/amh-toc.htm
http://www.britannica.com
[... much cut ...]
> If you have ever heard the term American Imperialism, ...
] Let us compare your history with ours on that point.
] [... much cut ...]
The intention isn't to compare American history to British
history to Spanish history to French history to Norwegian
history. The term "American Imperialism" is and has been
used around the world. It isn't just using a sharp stick
to extend ones influence.
] [...]
] How come when the US negotiates a purchase of land it is
] imperialism and when Britain seizes whole continents it is not?
] [...]
Both are imperialism.
http://www.m-w.com
] [...]
] Neither the US nor Britain can be very proud of how we both treated
] indigenous populations during the 16th-19th Centuries. We learned our
] lesson about the same time you all did in North America. But you folks
] (and Canada is still a British Commonwealth nation whose Soverign is
] the Queen of England currently) had to be kicked out of Rhodesia,
] India, Pakistan, etc. only after prolonged bloodshed mostly by
] the indigenous population.
The power of the British Monarchy (world-wide) ceased many years ago.
The British Commonwealth is just an organization and the Queen is
just a symbol. It is convenient to use a symbol in things such as
on oath of allegiance. Otherwise, we may be left to swear
allegiance to a politician. Yuck!
The War of 1812 was a very important event in American history, but
(IMHO) resulted in Canada becoming a separate nation and not part
of the US. The threat of another war years later drove confederation.
Two quotes from "American Military History" ...
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/books/amh/AMH-06.htm
" CHAPTER 6
" The War of 1812
" To Great Britain the War of 1812 was simply a burdensome adjunct
" of its greater struggle against Napoleonic France. To the Canadians
" it was clearly a case of naked American aggression. But to the
" Americans it was neither simple nor clear. The United States entered
" the war with confused objectives and divided loyalties and made
" peace without settling any of the issues that had induced the
" nation to go to war.
[...]
" President Madison's use of economic pressure to force England to
" repeal its blockade almost succeeded. The revival of the
" NonIntercourse Act against Britain, prohibiting all trade with
" England and its colonies, coincided with a poor grain harvest in
" England and with a growing need of American provisions to supply the
" British troops fighting the French in Spain. As a result, on June 16,
" 1812, the British Foreign Minister announced that the blockade would
" be relaxed on American shipping. Had there been an Atlantic cable,
" war might have been averted. President Madison had sent a message to
" Congress on June 1 listing all the complaints against England and
" asking for a declaration of war. Dividing along sectional lines the
" House had voted for war on June 4, but the Senate approved only on
" June 18 and then by only six votes.
[...]
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:19:54 GMT
Brad Wardell writes:
> ....Anyway, as you can see from RJ's post (an OS/2 user) to Marty (a fellow
> OS/2 user), one of the sure signs an OS with few users is that the few users
> left begin attacking one another.
Another example of classic illogic from Brad Wardell.
Perhaps you should read some of the postings from Windows users who
attack other Windows users, Brad. Are you willing to claim that
Windows has "few users"?
Those so-called "attacks" have nothing to do with operating systems,
Brad.
How ironic that you accused me of having my head buried in the sand.
How incredibly ironic.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SVGALib
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:23:21 GMT
On 7 Jun 2000 02:14:08 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
Steinberg) wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: On 6 Jun 2000 21:36:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
>: Steinberg) wrote:
>: >Screen dumps are easy in X, too.
>: Patching code into a library or adding a routine is not what I would
>: consider easy.
>
>Well, personally I don't think I'd have too much trouble with it. But, I
>wouldn't call it easy, either, especially not if we're talking about a
>typical user.
But that IS what the other person suggested.
>Which is why I said that screen dumps are easy in X.
>
><waiting for Steve's head to explode>
Who is steve?
Simon here.
>: I was addressing the method the other person suggested for what is
>: trivial under Windows.
>
>I know exactly what you were addressing. Too bad you don't.
If you mean the geek code block he posted, you are right, I have not a
clue what it does. My C-Programming began and ended with hello world.
>: If there is another way so be it.
>
>It's not unusual for something completely different to be done in another
>way.
So why was this method suggested?
>: >Obviously, you don't know what SVGALib is. If you did, you wouldn't be
>: >making that comparison.
>
>: Don't tell me. It's a library filled with Super VGA's?
>
>Don't worry, I won't tell you. It's too much fun watching you make an ass
>out of yourself.
It was a joke......
>: So tell me then, why did the other person suggest some *.c
>: library/routine patch?
>: Does one have to be a programmer to screen dump in Linux?
>
>Of course not. Who ever said one has to do any patching to screen dump in
>Linux?
The guy who posted the geek code block.
>Thanks, Steve. You've brought some entertainment to the end of a long and
>tiring day.
And Linux, as usual, has definitely left the audience wanting less.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SVGALib
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:26:55 GMT
On 7 Jun 2000 05:32:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
Steinberg) wrote:
>
>I was trying to steer him to a more valid comparion, and maybe messing
>with his mind a little at the same time...
>
>Right, Simon...err...Steve?
Simon. There are too many steve's in the group already.
Anyway, I'm not sure what I am missing here as the geek-speak is
growing by the minute and I don't speak geek.
The guy wants a screen dump yes?
What is the difference what library or application it is?
It is on the screen yes?
Seems easy to dump the screen buffer no?
Is there more to this?
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From: Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 15:43:23 -0400
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 06/07/2000 at 10:16 AM,
> Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I do think our taxes are too high, esp. here in Quebec. However, it is
> > egregious to take the US and Canada and compare them; the fact of our
> > climate and geography and our smaller population (as well as some
> > differing priorities esp. wrt health care) mean that we are going to pay
> > more taxes. For me, living here is worth the extra money it costs. No
> > matter what we do, we are going to pay more taxes than you will in the
> > US simply because having a comfortable life in a country which is mostly
> > comprised of a frozen desert is simply going to cost more. It's as
> > simple as that.
>
> I omitted much of your long post. I disagree with much of what it says.
> For example, you claim Montreal spent about CDN $50 per person for snow
> removal. Philadelphia spent that much just for overtime for streets
> department employees and hired contractors. To that must be added the cost
> of salt, fuel and maintenance for the plows, etc. Remember $50 CDN is only
> $33 or so US.
Then they aren't being very efficient about it. I got the numbers
from the '99 budget for the city at their website:
http://www.ville.montreal.qc.ca. Mind you, if you don't read french,
you'll have a problem with it. Finally, what's the total amount
Philly spent on snow removal? I extrapolated the numbers by dividing
the money spent in 99 (slightly less than 54 million dollars) by the
population of the city (slightly more than one million).
> Many of our urban highways wear out far faster than 7 years, even concrete
> ones due to the much higher use our roadways get. While our winters on
> average in New Jersey and Pennsylvania (the two states I know the most
> about) are not as severe, you don't have to deal with hurricanes and
> tropical storms. New Jersey is the most densly populated state in the
> United States. Moreover, 40% of our land area is not open to development
> of any kind. Thus we are even more densly populated than the statistics
> show. When a coastal storm rides up the Jersey shore, the damage is
> calculated in the hundreds of millions and sometimes billions of dollars
> and this happens annually on average. Hurricanes wipe out whole cities on
> occasion in Florida, the Carolinas, Georgia. Flooding along the
> Missouri-Mississippi system causes billions of dollars of damage every few
> years and tens of millions or more in a slow flood year.
>
> Just one hurricane, Hugo, a few years back caused over $80,000,000,000 in
> damage in Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina. Homeowners are not
> insured, for the most part, against floods. The taxpayers pick up the tab.
> Just this Spring, a freak northeaster dumped so much rain on a small town
> called Darby outside Philadelphia that over a thousand homes had to be
> abandoned and destroyed. Since Darby is not within a known flood hazard
> area, no mortgage company required Federal Flood Insurance. Thus the
> taxpayers have to fork over approximately $75,000,000 in no interest loans
> to allow those folks to buy new homes. Most of those loans will wind up
> being 'forgiven' by the government after 10 years or so.
Sounds like the ice storm of 98 here. That was bad, really bad. If
the last hydro tower to the island of Montreal had fallen over it
would've been a serious disaster in Mtl.; no heat, no clean water,
on a small island in the St. Lawrence river with an app. population
of 2.5 million people. As it was it was a serious disaster for many
smaller more remote communities, some of which had no electricity
for over a month.
> And how can an anglophone live in Quebec and call himself free? If he owns
> a store, he cannot advertise to his English speaking customers. He has to
> send out his bills in two languages. He isn't allowed to list his address
> as Potato Street since that street is now named Rue Pomme de Terre. If he
> doesn't speak French, he cannot get a Civil Service job from what I've
> been told by Francophones in Montreal.
Yes he can. It's not like there's no english media here; however,
the sign on the front of his store must have french predominant. I
guess Crescent St (or Rue Crescent, if you're speaking in french)
doesn't exist? (It's a big bar street; lotsa pretty girls... damned
expensive too... and the name is english, not french.) As for the
civil service job, well, I doubt that someone in Orlando who spoke
only Swahili and not english or spanish would have a lot of luck in
getting a position too.
> There are far more Asians living in Vancouver, BC than Francophones.
> Street signs there are in English and French. How is that fair to the
> Asians?
No they're not... they're in English. Where did you hear that from?
> We have far more Hispanic Americans that you have Francophone Canadians.
> We don't force the majority to use two languages just to satisfy a
> minority. I wonder how much this pandering to a noisy minority costs the
> average Canadian. I am sure it would buy thousands of MRI machines.
Most Canadians outside of Quebec don't have any idea about how to
speak french beyond oui and merci, and have no need to.
> What is the unemployment rate in Montreal and the Province of Quebec as
> opposed to Canada as a whole, as compared to the rest of Canada without
> including Quebec?
Dunno, but I do know it's a lot better now than it was two-three
years ago. Besides, if you want to see truly massive unemployment,
you need to go to the Maritime provinces, or Newfoundland, esp.
Newfoundland. It's really bad there. The average maritimer is
costing the average Canadian a lot more money than the average
Quebecois. Not that this is a big deal; part of the responsibility
of citizenship... and most Canadians realize this and don't begrudge
it at all.
Jack
Montreal PQ
CANADA
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