Linux-Advocacy Digest #957, Volume #27 Tue, 25 Jul 00 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the USS
Yorktown) (Woofbert)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("John W. Stevens")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: No wonder Hackers love Linux (Craig Kelley)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:43:12 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:23:41 -0700, Arthur Frain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> >> Arthur Frain wrote:
> >
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> >> > > Oh god. This is so stupid. The main reason why most areas have
> >> > > Electricity monopolies is BECAUSE OF the government, as they
> >> > > GRANTED MONOPOLIES to the various power companies.
> >
> >> > > Every place where such officially sanctioned monopolies have been
> >> > > overturned, the price of electricity drops IMMEDIATELY when a
> >> > > competing company comes into the local market.
> >
> >> > Just happen to have my electric bill handy. I pay:
> >> >
> >> > $0.021 per KWh for the first 2000 KWh
> >> > $0.027 per KWh for the next 2000 KWh
> >> > $0.0285 per KWh after that.
> >> >
> >> > This is not only from a monopoly utility company,
> >> > it's a government (county) owned monopoly utility
> >> > (but I do get to vote for the officers of the
> >> > company). There is no government subsidy for this
> >> > utility; in fact it returns money to the community
> >> > in the form of parks, waterway improvements,
> >> > irrigation (fee-based), flood control, and other
> >> > things. Oh yeah, they have a really nice local
> >> > history museum in the dam with free admission too.
> >
> >> Hydroelectric power is inherently "cheap" no matter what
> >> the corporate structure.
> >
> >So what? Your assertion was monopoly == expensive,
> >competitive == cheap, and my example counters your
> >simple-minded assertion. If in fact hydro is cheap
>
> Besides, there's nothing keeping private interests from
> exploiting the potential of hydro-electric power should
> they foresee the value in such a thing and be willing
> to invest in it.
>
> Given this 'no fuel cost benefit', one would think that
> greedy interests would be clamouring to exploit this
> sort of technology.
To build a hydro-electric dam, the first thing you have to do
is get all of the people off of the land that will be flooded.
Private companies have to purchase it.
Government agencies just CONDEMN THE PROPERTY and tell the
owner to beat it after paying them a paltry sum (usually
far below market value).
>
> [deletia]
>
> Although, I presume that corporations are far too short
> sighted to accept the large upfront investment required
> for such a power plant.
>
> --
> Unless you've got the engineering process to match a DEC,
> you won't produce a VMS.
>
> You'll just end up with the likes of NT.
> |||
> / | \
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:36:27 -0400
You go round and round and round chasing the same stupid spots like drunk
idiot looking for home. Are you paid by M$ to be here trolling, or is this
constant stream of drivel something you caught from using wincrap?
In <8lkg56$bqt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/26/00
at 02:51 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8lhs3c$tnc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8l7tqi$575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:8l79io$s8u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> -- snip --
>>
>> > > Since when have managing e-mail and web browsing been "OS"
>> > > functions?!!?!
>> >
>> > Since around the same time a shell (of any description) became
>> > standard issue with an "Operating System" distribution. Indeed, since
>> > around the same time an "Operating System" contained anything except a
>> > bare kernel and some device drivers.
>>
>> So, then, it has yet to happen.
>You can name some commercial OSes shipping without shells (keeping within the
>market of OSes aimed at interactive syle use) ?
>> > The computer science definition of an "operating system" is moot in
>> > the consumer world.
>>
>> Translation: The true definition of an "operating system" is moot in The
>> Microsoft World.
>No, in the consumer world, ie most people. Why don't you do a quick poll
>around and see how many end-user style people you can find who don't think
>Finder, Explorer or bash are part of "the OS".
>I doubt you would find many people outside (or even inside) of CS who would
>identify ntoskrl.exe over "Windows NT" as the "operating system".
>> > What 99.9% of the computer using population call an "operating
>> > system" is really an "operating system distribution".
>>
>> What "99.9% of the computer using population call" *anything* is
>> irrelevant.
>Unless you're trying to sell that thing to them, at which point what they
>call it becomes the *most* important thing.
>> Or perhaps we should all start calling out CPU boxes "hard
>> drives."
>The fact that we don't, suggests that not that many people do.
>> > Linux distros ship with multiple developer tools, web browsers, image
>> > editors, networking programs, office apps etc etc. Presumably you
>> > also advocate that these should all be wiped from the market and
>> > everyone should have to build their Linux machine from scratch ?
>>
>> No, but then I have yet to run across any Linux distro which calls the
>> various included browsers and e-mail programs "part of the OS."
>I don't see Redhat marketing their product as "Linux, and a whole bunch of
>shells, developer tools, text editors, word processors and daemons". Instead
>they market it as "RedHat Linux", which implicitly includes all the stuff
>they include in their distro.
>Now, that marketing might clash with your belief in the One True Definition
>of an OS, and as a CS major myself I understand, but that's just how the
>world works. Get used to it, if you arne't already.
>> No,
>> Linux makes a clear distinction between the OS kernel and *APPLICATIONS*
>> and utilities.
>No, *certain people* within the Linux community make that disctinction (and
>they are few and far between, unless prompted, as well), but most people will
>just say "Linux" when what they mean is "a Linux distribution".
>> OTOH, if Windows (including Outlook Express and IE) were available free
>> for download, along with the source, FROM MULTIPLE VENDORS, then:
>>
>> A) I would have less to complain about, and
>>
>> B) Your argument would make more sense.
>My argument wouldn't change at all, and neither would its meaning.
>Hopefully in your OSS crusade you attack *all* vendors who market non-OSS
>software ?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Leninist USEFUL IDIOT denies reality, attempts a smear campaign
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:44:59 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >You still haven't explained why Walensa wasn't arrested the first week
> >when he started getting uppity in Gdansk.
>
> Perhaps there are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt
> of in your philosophy, Mr. Kulkis.
>
> I think that they did not want to get the sort of bloody nose
> they got in Hungary and Czechoslovakia.
>
> >The ONLY plausible explanation is that the Soviets were looking for
> >an excuse to let go of Poland.
>
> There are *much* simpler and easier ways of doing that than the
> route that the Soviet leaders had chosen in 1981. For example, the route
> that they ended up choosing in 1989, which was simply to pack up their
> bags and leave.
>
> >> Including territories dangerously close to the Russian heartland
> >> and Moscow itself. Can anyone say Ukraine?
> >Oh God, you really are stupid.
>
> >BEFORE the break up of the Soviet Union, there were no border-crossing
> >checkpoints between Ukraine and Russia. Now there are.
>
> >Divesting of Ukraine is an INCREASE in security from Ukrainian
> >saboteurs.
>
> LOL. Before the breakup, the KGB could easily operate over all of
> the Ukraine. Now the KGB's successors working there have to watch out for
> a potentially hostile government.
Ukrainians are quite easily identified by their accent, the same
way as people from Alabama call attention to themselves the moment
the open their mouth in New York.
>
> --
> Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
> My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: The real faux paus of the U.S. military... (was Re: The Failure of the
USS Yorktown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:06:47 GMT
In article <8ljb6l$fqo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Interestingly, they brought up some laptops in the mid '90s to evaluate
> > designs
>
> The mid 1990's has nothing to do with the first flight.
>
>
That's why I wrote that in a separate paragraphs from the other stuff.
None of this has anything to do with the Yorktown. So nyah.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, Datadroid
Infernosoft: Putting the No in Innovation. http://www.infernosoft.com
"Consider God's handiwork: for who can make straight
that which He hath made crooked?" Ecclesiastes 7:13
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:08:58 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>> The downside to this is that it ties the DBM to a particular platform
>> or set of platforms; at the minimum, the underlying mechanics will
>> have to be revamped for each platform that comes along, if only
>> because most of them handle caching and the like in different manners,
>> which could well render such an approach less than optimal.
>
>Oracle makes a standard API which is cross-platform compatible.
That clearly isn't what he meant. Oracle still has to figure out how to
support their cross-platform API on any new hardware architecture, if
they're by-passing the file system.
I humbly apologize for appearing to defend 'Spud's position. I'm just
trying to encourage clarity.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
applicable licensing agreement]-
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:51:01 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > >You can't even be bothered to test a simple 10-line program, and
> > > > > >yet, you expect us to believe your other exhortations?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Come now, we're not nearly as stupid as you, punk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, that's true, but he was providing a quick-and-dirty example of
> a
> > > > > concept, and his code illustrated the solution. He might be stupid
> (and
> > > > > I'm anxious to learn more either way), but he is merely a "punk", at
> > > > > best, for not actually testing the scratch-code he was using for a
> > > > > simple example. I'd like to hear a more telling argument
> confronting
> > > > > his other exhortations, if you've got one.
> > > >
> > > > More to the point, he thinks that string-variables are an appropriate
> > > > solution for binary data.
> > >
> > > No, I just did it cause it was quick and dirty but you constantly ignore
> > > that. Fine.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Strings are assumed to terminate at any byte that is all 00's.
> > >
> > > Wrong. You are wrong. Ahhh mr programmer man, you are so limited in your
> > > knowledge and skills and it shows. Basic is not hampered by zero
> > > termination. I can include ascii 0 values in my strings all I want,
> > > anywhere, without any ill effect. You'd know that if you were a real
> > > programmer...
> >
> > ASCII (0) is also known as "NULL"
>
> no dumb dumb, only sometimes - in databases a NULL doesn't equal anything
> and doesn't equal ASCII zero at all.
Wrong, you fucking idiot
ASCII (0) is NULL
ASCII (48) is the character "0" (Zero)
> Have you never worked in a database before?
What does that have to do with knowing the ASCII code for NULL?
>
> >
> > Are you alleging that Visual Basic uses some other ascii value as
> > a string terminator?????????
>
> uuu, ar you alleging that you actually posses any intelligence whatsoever?
> Do you also claim to actually have used a computer beyond putting quarters
> in slot machines?
Yeah, my salary is in the 6-figure range.
>
> I'll use small words: Basic doesn't use string terminators. (terminator !=
> Arnold in leather)
Do this:
A$="The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog"
MID$(A,10,1)=ASC$(0)
Print "'",A$,"'"
The output will be
'The quick'
>
> Now - I'll leave you to spin and try to figure out how that is possible.
you are truly clueless.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:53:11 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 00:18:24 -0400,
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >I can program in any of 15 different languages, whereas you are
> > >restricted to...gag...visual basic.
> > >
> >
> > Well now that you've opened your big mouth why don't you prove
> > yourself and post the endian algorithm example in 15 different
> > languages.
Not all languages are appropriate for the problem.
One example would be awk.
> >
>
> I strongly suspect he doesn't know 1.5 langagues if english is included as
> langauge #1
Considering that I solved the problem in 4 lines with a language
that I haven't used in 17 years, do you really want me to embarrass
the shit out of you?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:13:53 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> You go round and round and round chasing the same stupid spots like drunk
> idiot looking for home. Are you paid by M$ to be here trolling, or is this
> constant stream of drivel something you caught from using wincrap?
Bring on the dancing bears of Ad Hominem!
Regards,
Chris Wenham
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From: "John W. Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:06:21 -0600
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> It is moot in anything except computer science. Ie, most of the world.
Glorifying ignorance benefits no one.
> Then by the computer science definition, anything that isn't a kernel
> constitutes tying.
Nope. Tying requires some extra stuff, like financial incentives,
secret and proprietary interfaces, and leveraging unrelated systems.
> It is not Microsoft's fault that no-one else can develop a viable
> alternative.
Yes it is.
MS has deliberately created a number of secret, proprietary interfaces,
modified existing open, public standars to be incompatible (Ex: Kerberos
V5), tied the lot together, then regularly churned these interfaces.
All this in order to guarantee that no-one else can develop a compatible
system.
> Anyone is free to join in the Winows market as well, if you can male a
> compelling alternative.
Actually . . . MS has several times tried (and finally succeeded) in
getting Federal laws passed to actually make it *ILLEGAL* to create a
compatible system.
> That it is so easy to make a compelling alternative in the Linux market and
> not in the Windows market is not Microsoft's fault.
Yes it is. This is so very obvious, I'm surprised you even attempted to
deny it.
--
If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
John Stevens
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comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:21:17 -0400
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/25/00
at 07:13 PM, Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> You go round and round and round chasing the same stupid spots like drunk
>> idiot looking for home. Are you paid by M$ to be here trolling, or is this
>> constant stream of drivel something you caught from using wincrap?
> Bring on the dancing bears of Ad Hominem!
>Regards,
>Chris Wenham
--
I already know you are an asswhole, so why is it you're here?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: No wonder Hackers love Linux
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Jul 2000 13:19:51 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:50:47 GMT, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:35:47 -0700, dakota
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Just installed Mandrake 7.1 with medium security
> [deletia]
> >>effects. Besides that, you can pipe everyone one of those
> >>services and more through an encrypted ssh session. Are you
> >>aware of those things called "firewalls" <snicker>?
> >
> >Tell that to the poor fool who installs Linux out
>
> Telnet is the only one that really has to be worried about.
>
> pop and ftp are actually quite useful and identd is somewhat
> required in certain situations (irc).
Bullshit.
Install RedHat 6.2, Suse 6.4, Slackware 7, Mandrake 7.1, or any number
of others, running the default FTP server and your box will be rooted
as soon as a kiddie sees it. (ie, read up on wu-ftpd "Providing Root
Access Since 1994!" in bugtraq)
It is irresponsible for any distribution to turn any non-vital service
on. Even the web server should stay off until the users figure out
how to up and down it.
There are lessons to be learned from OpenBSD.
[snip]
Of course, Windows NT suffers from the same, if not worse, problem;
especially now since DCOM2 (SOAP/.NET) runs over port 80, and it's
always on... Could you ask for a bigger disaster waiting to happen?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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