Linux-Advocacy Digest #960, Volume #26 Wed, 7 Jun 00 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? (Rob S. Wolfram)
Re: Linux is so stable... (Mike Marion)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Jacques Guy)
Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students! ("Colin R. Day")
Re: The sad Linux story (Mike Marion)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (David Steinberg)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Marty)
Re: Bob's Law (Marty)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com (Marty)
10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me! (Tiberious)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Julian Waldby)
Re: Bob's Law (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Marty)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Marty)
Re: Bob's Law (Eric Bennett)
Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me! (Steven
Smolinski)
Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me! (David Steinberg)
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (Marty)
Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: SVGALib ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob S. Wolfram)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What else is hidden in MS code???
Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:00:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[added cola so they can join the fun]
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[... two months ago ...]
>> There's enough independent peer review of the Linux source code by many
>> independent individuals to *GUARANTEE* that there is no backdoor in
>> Linux and all it's commonly used open source applications. There is no
>> way you will ever be able to give an equal guarantee for any closed
>> source application.
>
>Say Rob - how can I make a claim against that "*GUARANTEE*"? There is a nice
>big vulnerability in Open Source PGP (a commonly used open sores(tm)
>application) in the linux version (not the windows version).
>
>1 year open source and all those peer reviews never spotted it?
Sorry for the late reply, it's been a while since I followed comna. But
there are a few remarks I want to make here.
First, how is this a back door? I never made any claim about bugs,
security wise or not. I made a claim about back doors. So let me
challenge you. I can sell you the official version of Debian GNU/Linux
(stable a.k.a. slink, this is 2 binary CD's and 2 source CD's and
constitute *only* DFSG free software) for the amount of US$5000.00 This
contains 2200 packages of free software. If you can find even *one*
backdoor in any of those packages, I'll return you triple the amount.
Oh, and selling you this software without support or manuals for such an
amount is perfectly legal. Wanna play?
Secondly, PGP maybe open sores, but it sure as hell isn't open source.
It does not conform to the Open Source Definition (which is derived from
the Debian Free Software Guidelines).
Lastly, I am honestly curious about the following. The PGP bug consisted
of an incorrect implementation of reading entropy while generating
asymmetric keys non-interactively. Since Windows does not have a central
entropy pool (AFAIK) like /dev/random on Linux and *BSD, how exactly
does PGP get its entropy? Does it ask the user to type in some keys
everytime you want to encrypt something? Is it possible to encrypt
something non-interactively with the Windows version of PGP to begin
with (securely, of course)? If so, where does the entropy come from in
that case?
Cheers,
Rob
P.S., should I congratulate you or express my condolences on
http://usvms.gpo.gov/ms-final2.html ? ;-)
--
Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OpenPGP key 0xD61A655D
Mr. Cole's Axiom:
The sum of the intelligence on the planet is a constant; the
population is growing.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is so stable...
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:14:09 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> That's correct, the other slower machine maintains Samba shares so I can
> read them on my faster system which has both Windows 98 SE and Linux.
>
> I'm not sure anything was accessing the Samba share as the system was going
> down.
Just curious: Was the samba serving machine online when this happened? I've
found that if I mount a samba share to a Linux drive (say I mount my other box's
C drive to my linux box using smbmount) and then try to umount it when the
windows box is offline, it hangs. I don't know if newer samba versions are
better or not, but it used to suck at handling this situation.
If your samba server was offline and the box you rebooted couldn't umount, then
tried to shutdown anyway, it might've been the cause of your panic. Still a bad
situation though.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
"You know, maybe I'm not the best guy to be addressing the subject of
education. Frankly, when I was in school, I generated more C's then a Spanish
couple reaching simultaneous orgasm." -- Dennis Miller
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Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:20:27 -0700
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
John Wiltshire wrote:
> Now isn't it interesting that Australians have the second longest life
> expectancy in the world and we have a system very much like Canada?
Oh, piss off, we don't. The second longest? After bloody who? Sierra
Leone perhaps. Ever heard of Japan, France, Italy?
> Basically, what you are saying is that in the US the government
> doesn't care enough about its citizens to ensure they all get
> affordable health care.
Nor does it here. And this country (Australia) is fast turning into
a fascist, bible-thumping cesspool of morons. We just here in
Victoria escaped turning into Mussoliniland, thanks to the crass
stupidity of the wannabe Mussolini (aka Jeff Kennett), but we still
have to get rid of the rest, Honest John and Little Kim. (Thank
goodness, Polite Paul, Soeharto's bosom friend, seems to have gone
into retirement, looking after his taxpayers-funded piggeries,
probably).
> How much does it cost to visit a GP in the US *without* health care?
> How much for the same in Canada?
And how much does it cost in Australia NOT to be bullied, starved,
and exploited in a nursing home? Most of them privately run by
money-grabbing grubs? Want your grandma dipped into a kerosene
bath? Come to Australia! (Not kidding, that was a recent scandal
here).
Australia should invite Microsoft south. Deeeeeep south. Why, the
luminaries in our government have just flogged off Radio Australia's
broadcasting hardware to a bible-thumping fundamentalist UK outfit.
So that they can broadcast their venom to south-east asia, making
sensible christians there look like complete arseholes in the
bargain. When you are that raving mad and stupid, you might as
well give Elizabeth II the flick and instate Billy Goats as King
of Australia. Why, our side national anthem, Waltzing Matilda,
has a verse about "waiting 'till the billy boils". Come on over here,
Billy Goats, boils and bubbles will be provided!
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux should be #1 choice for students!
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:20:35 -0400
James wrote:
> Yup, wish I had Linux (and a PC) in '80. However, Win2k and the numerous
> commercial packages for it would have been better for producing
> reports/theses.
How is MS Word better than TeX/LATeX in this regard?
Colin Day
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The sad Linux story
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:21:51 GMT
Neil Cerutti wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted:
> >The deletion confirm thing is not a solution. Users get used to
> >just typing yes, and just do that everytime. People want to
> >system to do its job, not get in the way like Linux and Windows
> >like to do.
>
> The interactive version of rm is much safer than your paragraph
> above indicates. With the -i option rm prompts you for an answer
> each and every file before taking action.
The funny thing is, he says that "People want [the] system to do it's job..."
where in this case, if you type rm -rf * (or something similar) and it deletes
all your files... it _is_ doing it's job. You told it to delete files, and
that's what it did.
People just as often will accidentally highlight file(s) that they didn't mean
on a windows box, hit delete and immediately answer yes without reading.. then
curse the OS for deleting a file they needed.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc.
SYSTEM ALERT: /dev/null is full. Please delete any unnecessary files.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:23:35 GMT
Jack Troughton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Bob Germer wrote:
: > There are far more Asians living in Vancouver, BC than Francophones.
: > Street signs there are in English and French. How is that fair to the
: > Asians?
: No they're not... they're in English. Where did you hear that from?
Obviously, he figured it out based on his vast knowledge of Canada,
its institutions, its people, and its history, which was gathered during
his extensive voyages in BOTH regions of the country (the maritimes and
"Ottowa").
As someone who has lived in Vancouver for the full 22 years of his life, I
can confirm that the street signs here are exclusively in English. Except
for those in certain ethnic neighbourhoods, like Chinatown, where they use
both English and the area's predominant language.
I'm afraid that English/French street signs in Vancouver are rather like
many of the other elements of Canadian life that Bob describes, including
state-assigned doctors, telephone company monopolies, $1.20/litre gas, and
a nation-wide 15% "VAT"...non-existant.
--
David Steinberg -o) In a world without walls
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \ and fences, who needs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v Windows and Gates?
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:28:13 GMT
Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
> Things that happen inside of only one box aren't much more
> interesting to me than things that happen inside of
> one application. Perhaps I've missed the significance
> of why it should be.
Things that happen inside of one box are more efficient with regard to data
transferrence. Local access to storage is faster than access from a foreign
machine. In addition, home users are far more interested in what can be done
on a single standalone box because they can't afford (or don't want to buy)
extra equipment. The paradigm of favoring interoperability between systems as
opposed to interoperability between applications is clearly business and
large-task oriented and is a poor trade-off for home users.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bob's Law
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:30:10 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Mayor writes:
>
> >> Bob Lyday writes:
>
> >>> Bob's Law invoked. Tholen mentioned. Thread is now
> >>> officially dead.
>
> >> Illogical.
>
> > Since when has logic had anything to do with Usenet?
>
> Since I started posting.
Le'go my ego!
> Perhaps even before that.
Aren't you sure? (The rest of us are.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:34:02 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:28:13 GMT, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>>
>> Things that happen inside of only one box aren't much more
>> interesting to me than things that happen inside of
>> one application. Perhaps I've missed the significance
>> of why it should be.
>
>Things that happen inside of one box are more efficient with regard to data
>transferrence. Local access to storage is faster than access from a foreign
>machine. In addition, home users are far more interested in what can be done
>on a single standalone box because they can't afford (or don't want to buy)
>extra equipment. The paradigm of favoring interoperability between systems as
>opposed to interoperability between applications is clearly business and
>large-task oriented and is a poor trade-off for home users.
...until they have to acquire some Robber Baron's bit of software
just because "everyone else" is using it & it tries to be as
incompatible with everything else as possible...
--
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/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.be.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: OSWars 2000 at www.stardock.com
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:34:32 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Brad Wardell writes:
>
> > ....Anyway, as you can see from RJ's post (an OS/2 user) to Marty (a fellow
> > OS/2 user), one of the sure signs an OS with few users is that the few users
> > left begin attacking one another.
>
> Another example of classic illogic from Brad Wardell.
>
> Perhaps you should read some of the postings from Windows users who
> attack other Windows users, Brad.
How many of these posts are there in relation to non-attack-oriented posts in
those groups? Compare that with COOA. Then come back here and report your
findings to conclude if what Brad said was logical or not. Why should the
rest of us jump to conclusions with you, lacking the necessary data?
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From: Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me!
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:45:42 GMT
I run a small hardware / software consulting firm and being a
businessman educated in solid business principles (Wharton if you must
know), I thought I saw an opportunity to get my foot in the door and
promote Linux as an alternative to Windows and less so Apple. Let's face
it there are millions of folks out there "consulting" at various levels
of competency and in truth, just looking at my own area it is
frightening the level of MSCE that is out there. Some of these people
can barely format a diskette via a command line.
So anyway, I started investigating the various Linux distributions and
hired 2 Linux Systems Engineers who knew the product so well it was
scary.
I am not exactly a Unix newbie either having dealt with IBM/AIX in the
past, but my function was mainly to garner support and try and sell
Linux.
Our business plan called for the money to be made in pricing Linux much
lower than similar Windows configurations (not hard at all) and making
our money on hardware and the system software set up as well as
maintenance of the above items.
What seemed like a good idea at first quickly blossomed into the worst
nightmare a person in my field could ever imagine.
The basic problem was that NOBODY WANTED LINUX!!!!
We couldn't GIVE IT AWAY!
They were so entrenched in Windows that to even consider switching was
out of the question.
The first problem was providing Microsoft compatible applications. I
tried most of the applications we were going to pitch to the end users
and quite frankly thought that although they needed a little polish here
and there, for the most part they were Microsoft compatible.
Boy was I wrong, BIG TIME!!!
First we tried Wordperfect but it kept crashing far too much to be
useful. The demo's were getting embarrassing. Then we tried StarOffice
but even on decent hardware (Pentium II 450mhz with 256 meg) it ran like
molasses and took over the entire desktop. As a last resort we tried
Applix, which seemed to work ok until one client asked us to try and
import his payroll/tax spreadsheets.
Applix died on the launch pad like Apollo 0ne.
Other problems were the general dislike of Netscape. People, for some
reason or another, seem to hate that program. They keep bringing up
features and the general look and feel of Explorer as being far nicer.
Look is another area where Linux let us down. We kept getting complaints
about the screen layouts. Essentially the end users could not adjust the
screen so that the text looked smooth and clear. My Linux gurus
explained the lack of anti-aliased fonts to me and that was the end of
that. A person who has to look at a screen for 8 hours a day with jagged
fonts is an OSHA lawsuit in the making.
More problems surfaced.
Several clients use video and audio embedded applications which depend
on the Creative Sound Blaster Live Card. The support for this device
under Linux seems to be dismal.
What we discovered about Linux is that while it may look like a great
and superior system on paper, the truth of the matter is that the end
users ARE NOT INTERESTED IN LINUX.
They are interested in solutions to their problems and Windows 2000
provides them in a polished, ready to go package that is the current
standard and is supported by THEIR clients. We had other consultants
blowing us out of the water with their offerings and although our
clients were trying to be loyal to us because of our integrity and long
term relationships with most of them, the honest truth was Linux was NOT
and option if we intended to remain their consultants.
Linux is lagging terribly in polished world class applications. Even the
SoundBlaster Live card has Liveware! available for Win2k, despite Win2k
just being released. Linux has been spouting support "coming real soon
now" for a long time. Still no full support for this popular card.
Linux drivers are bare bones and no Livewire is even in sight.
In conclusion, we have dumped Linux because Windows is really the
future.
Linux shows it age with every command line instruction.
We tried to support and sell Linux but the truth of the matter is that
the end users have spoken and Linux is NOT in their vocabulary.
Tiberious
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From: Julian Waldby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:48:36 -0500
javelina wrote:
> Dropping off the network to check a driver will get you
> fragged to a crisp from some other mech warrior. It's
> safer just to reboot during a busy weekday when all of the
> users are around and it's not safe to get caught playing
> network games. Too many eyeballs.
Really? You collect eyeballs too, huh? I've got three in a chest in my
room, under a simple padlock.
Julian
--
http://www.comm.csl.uiuc.edu/~waldby/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,nl.scouting
Subject: Re: Bob's Law
Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:52:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>> Bob's Law invoked. Tholen mentioned. Thread is now
>>>> officially dead.
>
>>> Illogical.
>
>> Since when has logic had anything to do with Usenet?
>
>Since I started posting. Perhaps even before that.
Hello.
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(35 posters, 259 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:54:56 GMT
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> Many US states have nicknames for their citizens. New Yorkers are also
> called Knickerbockers.
I grew up on LI and was no stranger to NYC, but I've never heard this used as
such. Perhaps that was before my time.
> These are not demeaning, perjorative, etc. terms. They are just handy
> nicknames like Mike for Michael.
"Knickerbockers" sure doesn't seem more handy than "New Yorkers".
> Speaking of New Yorkers. Do you know where a New Yorker keeps his whiskey?
No, but maybe if you hum a few bars...
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:58:31 GMT
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> There were at least 5 major word processing programs for the Intel
> platform in 1984 when these decisions were made, WordStar, Word,
> WordPerfect, Volkswriter, and one whose name I don't recall.
IBM DisplayWriter perhaps? Was Broderbund's "Bank Street Writer" around back
then?
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Bob's Law
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:06:12 -0400
In article <PJy%4.30053$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Mayor writes:
>
> >> Bob Lyday writes:
>
> >>> Bob's Law invoked. Tholen mentioned. Thread is now
> >>> officially dead.
>
> >> Illogical.
>
> > Since when has logic had anything to do with Usenet?
>
> Since I started posting. Perhaps even before that.
>
Best laugh I've had all week long. Even better than today's news that
John Rocker might quit baseball to become a stock broker.
Thanks, I needed that. :)
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven Smolinski)
Subject: Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:00:19 GMT
Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[... made up story of a Wharton grad who starts a business without
researching the needs of his target market, and who can't spell
"Tiberius". Sing it with me: Troll, troll, troll your boat... ]
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Steinberg)
Subject: Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me!
Date: 7 Jun 2000 23:00:29 GMT
Congratulations Steve! You finally managed to change your
"X-Newsreader" line!
But here's a free hint: if you keep posting the exact same thing
everytime, people don't even have to LOOK at your headers!
Seriously, can anyone figure Steve out? Is he really the world's worst
troll? Is he really a Micorosft-employed astroturfer? Does he really
suffer from a multiple personality disorder?
What's the deal? Who would spend so much time writing the exact same
thing over and over again, pretending to be different people?
It's fascinating and disturbing at the same time...
--
David Steinberg -o)
Computer Engineering Undergrad, UBC / \
[EMAIL PROTECTED] _\_v
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:04:06 GMT
Alan Baker wrote:
>
> >> >...How many different video cards are
> >> >available?...
> >
> >> Not as many as for PCs, but we manage.
> >
> >How many? I find only 2 on the web.
>
> Perhaps you should look harder:
> [snip]
Aren't there some Matrox cards as well?
...
> >... REXX,
>
> Huh?
An extremely powerful and versatile scripting language which is embedded into
OS/2's command shell (and was historically developed and used extensively on
IBM mainframes of yesteryear).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: 10 Months of my time wasted on Linux. Back to Microsoft for me!
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:01:13 GMT
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:45:42 GMT, Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I run a small hardware / software consulting firm and being a
>businessman educated in solid business principles (Wharton if you must
[deletia]
>First we tried Wordperfect but it kept crashing far too much to be
>useful. The demo's were getting embarrassing. Then we tried StarOffice
>but even on decent hardware (Pentium II 450mhz with 256 meg) it ran like
This assertion seems suspect.
[deletia]
>explained the lack of anti-aliased fonts to me and that was the end of
>that. A person who has to look at a screen for 8 hours a day with jagged
>fonts is an OSHA lawsuit in the making.
This, I think, is the clincher. While I'll agree that there
may be certain subjective aesthetic considerations to consider,
this strikes me as much the same as certain OS advocates that
look down on cheap 19" monitors for no other reason then that
they are cheap.
>
>More problems surfaced.
>
>Several clients use video and audio embedded applications which depend
>on the Creative Sound Blaster Live Card. The support for this device
>under Linux seems to be dismal.
SB Lives in Office machines?
[deletia]
--
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/ | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SVGALib
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 23:08:19 GMT
Do you ever speak english?
The guy asked to do a screen dump?
Some other guy suggested *.c code be inserted to perform it?
What is so difficult here?
On Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:30:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
wrote:
> ...the difference between there being a built in infastructure
> already in place as well as a distinction between the enviroment
> and the application, or not.
>
>[deletia]
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