Linux-Advocacy Digest #960, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 19:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1 (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (Giuliano Colla)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Chad Everett)
Re: Women's rights and responsibilities. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows is a virus (Larry Rosen)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare? (Ian Smith)
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Steve Long")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Two articles from the register ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Bobby D. Bryant")
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:11:53 +0100
In article <ph_F6.365$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Terry Porter wrote:
>
>> You still don't get it, Linux **DOES NOT WANT TO REPLACE** Windows!
>
> That's why I see articles like "SuSE 7.1 is a Windows killer"?
And people here have said you are stupid? Does that make you stupid?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pete Goodwin is in good company
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:14:15 +0100
>> Obviously posting FUD on COLA is one of those things ?
>
> What FUD is that Terry?
>
> Please point out ANY posts I've made that are (i) untrue (ii) lies (iii)
> etc. You'll have a hard time.
Another Linux OOPSIE.
remember that post? Somehow you were comvinced that GIMP having stupid
defaults was somehow a fault of Linux. You also made many erroneous
claims in that thread before figuring out how the printer system worked.
There wer lots of untrue and etc there.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:19:44 +0100
> Read Steven Levy's HACKERS, and get back to us.
>
> The idea of giving your code away, and letting others USE AND MODIFY IT,
> with the understanding that the derivative code should be just as
> available as the baseline code has ALWAYS been foreign to the mainline
> of the commerical computing industry.
>
> It's only really popular with students, academics, and high-end
> intellectuals
> (and a few pseudo-intellectuals). Oh well. Hopefully, this is
> changing.
> (finally).
>
> I don't know why people consider programming to be fundamentally
> different from, say, any other information regarding procedures, like,
> say, the rules to the game of Baseball or Hockey.
You're not going back far enough. Origionally, computers were
fantastically expensive and had hardly any memory or CPU power, so any
software was very small and simple. As a result, the software was
worthless compared to the hardware, so noone tried making money out of it
(no money in it in the firstplace). When computer power increased and it
became a bigger and bigger job to write software and when the assosciated
cose rose in relation to the cost of computers, people started seeing
money in software and then closed source was born.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:32:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:35:52 +1200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Mark Hillary wrote:
>>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Switch you windows computer on. Let it load half way up then switch it off.
>> Repeat 5 times and see what sort of state windows is in after. Now try this
>> on a linux box run reiserfs. My boxx only takes 1 second longer to boot up
>> and doesn't complian once.
>>
>> Ah well FAT32 just isn't up to it.
>>
>> BTW I am just a normal user. 18 years old, can't program, doing my
>> a-levels. After I dumped windows I have never needed a single bit of
>> windows software. I have found programs from linux that work just fine. And
>> you may say they have less features. Well I say good. I do not need the
>> feature creep of windows.
>>
>> Will you be upgrading to windows XP. Because if you are you had better have
>> a good machine to run it on. The OS it's self needs 128Mb memory. So that
>> is a min of 256Mb to run anything on. Plus the recomended disk usage for
>> the OS is 2GB. That is an Os with no programs that you can do anything with.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Hillary
>>
>> Information is to be shared, whether it wants to be free or not.
>
>Well, Windows XP would be a bitch for me, I have 384 MB of RAM so that I
>get the benefits of being able to run more programs at once. If I went
>down the Windows XP track I would have to shell out $NZ300, for another
>256MB RAM (which would bring it up to 512MB RAM), ontop of the cost of
>Windows XP just so I can maintain the advantage of having the extra leg
>room when required.
Pedant point: unless you have a 4-slot machine similar to mine
and are removing 2 64MB ram sticks (which is possible), 384+256=640.
Just checking. :-)
Of course, I still remember Apple ][ with its whopping 48K memory.
What the hell is MS WinXP doing in all of that RAM?
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 10d:04h:52m actually running Linux.
Microsoft. When you're not aggravated enough.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why do Win advocates suck? Part 1
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:36:13 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Edward Rosten
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:42:56 +0100
<9c3vrs$kdp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> in /etc/profile, put in the following code:
>>
>> Fine, why doesn't Mandrake do this? Do any distros do this?
>
>Because every system has different requirements. The distributor is not
>telepathic.
Lock for Microsoft Telepathic Install Shield 7.0 any day now.
:-)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- and it'll probably guess wrong, anyway
EAC code #191 10d:05h:21m actually running Linux.
You're going to do *what* *where* *when*?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re:
Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:40:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 19:09:35 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip for brevity]
>Are you aware that, according to feminist doctrine, ***ALL*** sex
>between men and women (including consensual sex between a husband
>and wife) is rape.
*Some* feminist doctrine. I rather doubt all feminists think this.
(Of course, one might make the case that sex without proper foreplay
is a form of rape, or at least uncomfortable.)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 10d:06h:26m actually running Linux.
A man and his roomie walked into a bar...."Ouch", they said.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:01:26 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> "Zippy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > this is an amusing conversation.
> >
> > i use StarOffice every day. unlike MS Office, it doesn't crash my machine
> > every 15 minutes.
>
> You must have a *really* bunged up system, if Office crashes it every 15
> minutes. I run, for example, Outlook (not express) all day, every day, no
> crashes. I run Word regularly, and can't recall, offhand, having had it
> crash in at least several months. Access? Nope, no crashes. Excel? Nope,
> no crashes.
>
> So what part of Office is crashing your machine 4 times an hour?
Judging from my experience, it's the part supplied by Microsoft.
--
Giuliano Colla
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:04:40 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> "Zippy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > this is an amusing conversation.
> >
> > i use StarOffice every day. unlike MS Office, it doesn't crash my machine
> > every 15 minutes.
>
> You must have a *really* bunged up system, if Office crashes it every 15
> minutes. I run, for example, Outlook (not express) all day, every day, no
> crashes. I run Word regularly, and can't recall, offhand, having had it
> crash in at least several months. Access? Nope, no crashes. Excel? Nope,
> no crashes.
>
Did you consider to leave your body to the Smithsonian? They'd be
interested in the only specimen of humanity capable of such deeds.
--
Giuliano Colla
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Apr 2001 16:42:18 -0500
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:57:49 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dave Martel wrote:
>>
>> Why do I have the feeling that only Media Player 8 and later versions
>> will eventually be able to play content-protected media?
>>
>> <http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-5712920.html>
>>
>> Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP
>> By Joe Wilcox
>> Staff Writer, CNET News.com
>> April 24, 2001, 1:40 p.m. PT
>>
>> "Microsoft is requiring consumers who want to use the latest version
>> of Windows Media Player to upgrade to the new Windows XP operating
>> system--a move that is reminiscent of the company's controversial
>> decision to tie the Internet Explorer browser with Windows."
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> "'There are some features with Windows Media Player that can only be
>> delivered with Windows XP,' said Jonathan Usher, Microsoft's group
>> product manager for Windows Media Player. These include CD burning and
>> DVD movie playback, among other features not available with earlier
>> versions of the product."
>
>I'm glad I'm using Linux, and don't have to worry about this
>kind of shit.
>
>Chris
>
Except, of course, if there are radio stations or other broadcast
entities that only push out Windows Media Player format. Microsoft
is really trying to corner this market. They wanted to do this
with Java and other Internet protocols too, but they seem to be
having more success with Windows Media Player. I don't know why
there isn't more outrage about this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.men
Subject: Re: Women's rights and responsibilities.
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:12:34 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Aaron> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:22:26 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> >> > The Scene:
> >> > A delivery room, where some bed-hopping slut has just borne the
> >> > demon spawn of her most recent DangerAsshole...
>
> >> I don't sleep with "bed-hopping sluts". Nice try.
>
> Aaron> You need not sleep with a bed-hopping slut for her to name YOU
> Aaron> the father of the demon spawn of the incarcerated DangerAsshole
> Aaron> whos actually did the act.
>
> Aaron> Hope that helps.
>
>
> >>
> >> >Doctor: Miss....who is the father?
> >> >
> >> >BHS: Donovan Rebbechi.
> >>
> >> I'd nail her for fraud.
>
> Aaron> How?
>
> Aaron> The mother has custody. And in most states, the mother is allowed
> Aaron> to DENY the collection of any DNA sample from the child, so any
> Aaron> challenge to paternity becomes significantly more expensive.
>
>
> If the mother is claiming paternity, and the alleged father denies it,
> the mother has to draw the DNA to prove paternity.
>
> I would like to see a singe cite for the mother being able to asset disputed
> paternity with no recourse for the alleged father.
>
> But, knowing you, and your refusal to back your words, I will
> not hold my breath.
um, don't look now but there is a post regarding this as we speak 'non biological
father
has to pay child support' or words to that affect.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Rosen)
Subject: Re: Windows is a virus
Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:36:55 GMT
"Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<3p%F6.1367$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>[snips]
>
>"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> What is the technical term to describe a virus?
>> A piece of software involuntarily installed on a computer causing
>> wilful damage?
>> Well doesn't Windows fit this description?
>
>Not that definition. One of the items in particular, "involuntarily
>installed" cannot possibly apply; you voluntarily bought a machine with
>Windows preinstalled, or you voluntarily installed it. I find it
>difficult to accept the notion that someone actually held a gun to your
>head and forced you to purchase a particular machine, or to install a
>particular OS.
>
>> When I bought my computer I got
>> an unwanted piece of software called Windows98 on it
>
>So why did you buy that machine? I usually buy machines with no OS
>preinstalled. Saves a few bucks, and since I generally repartition
>anyways, having a preinstalled OS is simply pointless.
Try to buy a Dell or Compaq without OS, they won't do it! And don't tell
me to redirect to another vendor, I want a PC from a reputable and
supporting company with their warrany. Dell won't even sell a comsumer PC
with LINUX, you must purchase a business machine (which I don't want
either)
Even when you format and reinstall windows, if you deselect internet tools,
connections, etc. IE and MSN and AOL are still installed even though I
SPECIFICALLY TOLD IT NOT TO INSTALL THESE THINGS!
>> think I need mention the deliberate attempts of Microsoft to screw up
>other
>> software not owned by themselves such as quicktime!
>
>Don't know what they've supposedly done with QT; I've certainly always
>had the runtime QT installed and it's always worked just fine. Hmm...
>correction... I haven't _always_ had it installed; it's not installed on
>my 2KAS box. Still, I'd be at least a little surprised if it didn't
>work there, too.
>
>> Perhaps the courts might do better pursuing them for manufacturing
>> and
>> distributing a virus
>
>If they'd actually produced one, which, even by your definition, they
>haven't - and that's without looking at the "willful damage" aspect of
>your definition, which I suspect you'd have trouble proving.
>
>> No doubt Microsoft fans will whine about this but some people are so
>> dumb they don't even realise how they have been ripped off for years,
>> they're probably the same people who couldn't cross the right box in
>> the U.S. elections!
>> Some people you just can't get through to, so why bother even try!
>
>And some people you can get through to - but simply because one rejects
>a flawed premise such as yours doesn't make on a fan, or make one unable
>to understand what the issues you're trying (but failing) to discuss
>actually are.
>
>
>
>
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:22:33 -0400
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:14:45
>> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> No, you thought I couldn't; I knew I couldn't, and we both knew that I
>>> wouldn't. Stop playing troll-games, you little prick.
>> I can play just as long as you can. And I'm not little.
> I don't play troll games, Les, because I'm not a prick.
Both parts of that claim are false. You are a prick, and you do play troll
games. You also haven't clue one.
*plonk*
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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From: Ian Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Importance, or lack, of Marketshare?
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:47:08 +0100
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> has a bee in his bonnet. I have never heard him (Linus) claim that
> proprietry code is "evil" or "un-moral".
Then you obvously are not aware of his views on proprietary, binary-only
kernel modules. He didn't choose the GPL by accident or out of
ignorance. In fact, "evil" is a word he uses quite a lot.
--
============================================================================
Ian Smith
============================================================================
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From: "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:42:18 -0400
but the Allies did effectively disable the entire network when a virus
embedded in a printer (which they arranged to end up in the iraqi military
environment) infected their infrastructure.
"Phlip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:EE_F6.419$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>Huh, IP can seldom cope on a GOOD day. The idea of an IP based network
> >>staying up under severe stress is just too funny to be funny.
>
> During the Gulf War when the US bombed Iraqui "command and control
> facilities" they were often going after network servers. They never
brought
> the net down.
>
> Staying up during a war is what TCP/IP was >designed< to do.
>
> --
> Phlip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ============ http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PhlIp ============
> -- Personally qualified to snub Mensa --
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From: "James A. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:47:16 GMT
I'm sure that I read that in a fiction thriller - are you sure it's a
real story?
Steve Long wrote:
>
> but the Allies did effectively disable the entire network when a virus
> embedded in a printer (which they arranged to end up in the iraqi military
> environment) infected their infrastructure.
>
> "Phlip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:EE_F6.419$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>Huh, IP can seldom cope on a GOOD day. The idea of an IP based network
> > >>staying up under severe stress is just too funny to be funny.
> >
> > During the Gulf War when the US bombed Iraqui "command and control
> > facilities" they were often going after network servers. They never
> brought
> > the net down.
> >
> > Staying up during a war is what TCP/IP was >designed< to do.
> >
> > --
> > Phlip [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ============ http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PhlIp ============
> > -- Personally qualified to snub Mensa --
--
James A. Robertson
Product Manager (Smalltalk), Cincom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Two articles from the register
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:54:24 +0600
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : The Register isn't known for the accuracy of its headlines. In this case,
> : the article clearly says that NT had 50+% of the defacements while Win2k
> : only had 10%. How is that "easer to deface than NT"?
>
> What is the proportion of W2K deployments vs. NT deployments?
Didn't the article explicitly state that the rate of W2K defacements is far
outstripping its rate of deployment?
A note somewhat to the side: It always amuses me when I visit sourceforge.net
and notice that Back Orifice 2000 is *still* one of the most popular downloads.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:56:37 +0600
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
> Thanks to Erik Funkenbusch(!), I managed to get CD burning working as a
> regular user, and it required altering the local security policy to permit
> mortal users to load and unload drivers. Yeah, that's plain wrong, huh?
Could I have a guest login on your computer for a few minutes, please?
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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