Linux-Advocacy Digest #55, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Jun 00 15:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: G4 in space! (Mayor)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Tim Palmer)
Re: Boring (Tim Palmer)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Re: G4 in space! (Jim)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (void)
Re: iMacs With iTitude (void)
Re: G4 in space! (void)
Re: G4 in space! (void)
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:21 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:16 +0200, Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Tiberious wrote:
> [CUT the entire crap]
>
>The fun part of you guys posts is that lately you're atacking Linux on its
>lack of support for "home devices". This must mean that the server side of
>things is allready won by Linux - i can only agree on that.
Now a UNIX losser is posting something twice! Rich. This just prooves that its the
UNIX news
server's that make messags appear twice, not the Windos users.
>
>Regarding end-user PC's its very simple... simply just aquire devices that
>are supported by Linux.. I do not have any problems for my usage.. and i
>guess 90% og users wont either.
>
>Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
>European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
>usage of open sourced software and operatings systems .. In France there is
>currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
>similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
>parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
>
>To make things even worse for Micros~1 major electronic retailers here will
>offer PC's wiht Linux and StarOffice and one with Corel Linux and Corel
>Office for the first time.. simply because students are demanding it.
>
>The future looks bright... but not yours if youre into Micros~1 advocacy..
>wich is a joke by it self. Think one of the most profitable companys in the
>world has some morons trying to market their software for them because they
>feel sorry for them... What a joke
>
>Greetings to all lemmings
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:26 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:22:21 GMT, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For the 2 part you have buy, do this.
>
>Put the cdrom on the cdrom tray.
>mount it ( mount /dev/cdrom )
>go to the good directory ( cd /mnt/cdrom/driver/linux )
>install it ( ./install )
In Windows:
Put the CD in.
Close it.
Click on its icon in "My Computer".
Simple. It works. Does it work on Linux? No.
>
>What? there's no Linux directory on the CD. Please verify corectly....
>Ah, no you are right, there's no drivers for Linux on the CD.
>
>Go to the manufacturer website. Send them an e-mail saying there's no driver
>for Linux on the cdrom. They will send you an e-mail with a Linux driver.
>
>If they don't do this, the companie have a really poor tech support. You
>should simply stop buying they hardware.
Which maikes no difrecne to then, because everyone ealse will keep bying the hardware
they want
to use and running Windows to use it. Which means that Linux is still the loser.
>And by the same way, send an e-mail
>here saying which companie didn't support their hardware so we won't buy
>the product anymore.
>
>
>
>"Tiberious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message news:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject:
>> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
>> system.
>>
>> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
>> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
>> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
>> scanner and printer.
>>
>> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
>> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
>> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
>> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>>
>> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
>> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
>> other software.
>>
>> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
>> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>>
>> Super easy.
>>
>> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
>> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
>> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
>> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>>
>> Linux on the other hand?
>>
>> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
>> 2. Barely supports the printer.
>> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
>> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
>> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
>> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
>> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>>
>> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
>> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
>> the getgo.
>>
>> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>>
>> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>>
>> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>>
>> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
>> desktop system kills that reason.
>>
>> Sorry but Linux loses again.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: Re: G4 in space!
From: Mayor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:02:08 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> In article <jrnaylor-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mayor
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <jrnaylor-
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> [Snip]
>> >> >
>> >> >What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
>> >> _never_... ;-)
>> >>
>> >> I've noticed that about you.
>> >
>> >Touche! That'll teach me to show my age by using a cliche you
>> >impressionable young kids never heard before.
>>
>> Heh! If I'm a kid to you then you must be a fossil...or
>> petrified! :)
>
>Maybe a bit of both? So do you like to pretend to take figures
>of speech literally in general, or just when a cheap shot is
>available?
I didn't think it would need a smiley, it so obviously a joke.
How's this:
What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
_never_... ;-)
I've noticed that about you. :)
Is that better? Now calm down. :)
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:37 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:13:26 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I've said it before and I'll say it again. Installation is not usability
>or reliability.
>
Corect. It's just anothar feature to ad to the list of features that Linux _doesn't_
have.
>Yes a user may find installing these particular devices easier, but the
>fact that the OS hangs all the time, has to be rebooted constantly.
Yet the user doesn't care, because doing the same things he does now would be a pane
under Linux,
even without the reboots.
>The
>first words out of the mouth of the help desk is to reboot.
>
>Usability and reliability are far more important. For every example of
>"easy" you can present, I can post examples of where installations screw
>up the box and programs previously functioning correctly cease to do so.
>
>If the only thing you can point out are installation issues, that's
>great! 99% of users do not add devices to their computer and simply use
>it as delivered or bring it back to the store to have the upgrade added.
>When you can speak about a "usability" issue of a working system, I'd
>like to hear it.
>
>
>Tiberious wrote:
>>
>> Subject:
>> Installing a printer, scanner and Fax program on a Win98SE
>> system.
>>
>> Specifics: Canon FB630P scanner. Parallel port version.
>> Canon BJC 4400 Printer.
>> Software including Winfax and what ever came with the
>> scanner and printer.
>>
>> Install printer with CDROM supplied. Nice CanoCraft programs and
>> Greeting Card Designer included. Add's all kinds of menu options to the
>> standard print menu so that resolution, paper size, diagnostics and so
>> forth are easily accessible to the user.
>>
>> Install scanner, including Adobe Photoshop (Home version, almost the
>> same as pro version) and Canocraft software plus a large selection of
>> other software.
>>
>> Install Winfax. Surprise, surprise, it recognizes the printer and
>> scanner and adds a fax option to all menus.
>>
>> Super easy.
>>
>> Try out all options and there are wizards to guide the user through all
>> the operations of scanning/printing and faxing and most importantly ALL
>> FUNCTIONS WORK TOGETHER, meaning you don't have to scan a printed
>> document in order to fax it. You can just do it from the scanner menu.
>>
>> Linux on the other hand?
>>
>> 1. Doesn't support the scanner.
>> 2. Barely supports the printer.
>> 3.Gimp vs Adobe? Need I say more?
>> 4. You are on your own trying to figure out how to make things work.
>> Assuming of course you CAN make things work.
>> Integration between programs like in the Windows world? You'll be
>> lucky if the programs put an icon in the menus let alone work together.
>>
>> This person walked into Staples, presented a problem and walked away
>> with a solution for $225.00 that was a breeze to install and worked from
>> the getgo.
>>
>> Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
>>
>> Why should someone take a step back in time to a half supported system?
>>
>> What advantage does the person above gain running Linux?
>>
>> I have yet to se a valid reason to do so except for cost, and running a
>> desktop system kills that reason.
>>
>> Sorry but Linux loses again.
>
>--
>Mohawk Software
>Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
>Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
>Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
>sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:47 -0500
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:07:08 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jeff Szarka wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:32:52 GMT, Michael Marion
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >You know how the winvocates have been touting the livewire drivers for
>> >w2k lately? Well it turns out that if I install the new "livewire"
>> >drivers for my sblive in w2k I get my first taste of the w2k protection
>> >program (the one that's supposed to save us from "dll hell"). It gives
>> >you the option of replacing the system files that changed with the
>> >proper ones, or allowing them to be replaced.. which equates to: you can
>> >have system stability but not full functionality of your SBLive, or full
>> >SBLive drivers but not the stability you're used to. If I do let it
>> >install livewire and replace those files.. I get many other odd things.
>> >If I install the drivers for my Hollywood Plus DVD card after installing
>> >livewire, the machine BSOD's with a short message, but proceeds to
>> >reboot before I can read it. Yipee!
>>
>> Didn't happen when I tried it.
>
>Of course not. Windows is very inconsistent.
>
Or more likely your making it up. A Lino-nut would never pay for W2K, or anny other
software
for that mater.
>
>--
>Mohawk Software
>Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
>Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
>Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline
>sharply the minute they start waving guns around?
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From: Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Boring
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:03:57 -0500
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Jorge Cueto wrote:
>>This newsgroup is starting to be bored ... I guess GNU/Linux has finally
>>won and Windows advocates can't just debate anymore :-)
>
>
>I think the real problem with advocacy is that Linux has won.
Uhm, no. Not even close.
>What is Microsoft going to do in the next 5 years but die.
The government can't do anything to them until the appeals proscess is over. By then,
this whole
UNIX revival thing will halve blone over.
>
>If people don't think the KDE is a better desktop than W2k then
>what are they going to say when KDE2 is out soon?
>
That it sucks. Just like the KDE befor it. You can put Windos like environmant ontop
of UNIX, but
thats' still UNIX under theare, and you can't get rid of the limmitations of UNIX
except by getting
rid of the UNIX. That is why UNIX+KDE fales now just like UNIX without it did, and
UNIX+KDE2 will
continnue to fale in the future.
Just face it: UNIX is the PAST. Leave it in the 1970s whear it belongs.
>I think the Microsoft community realizes that there is no competing with
>Linux as the Linux community comes out with a new version roughly once
>every 6-9 months.
Yeah, and you accuse Windwos of making peopal upgrade.
>This in comparison to Windows 2-4 year revisionary
>history,,, with complete writeups from the ground floor up.
>
>Charlie
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:10:45 GMT
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:44:19 GMT, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Windows is better than Linux cause you can make you printer and scanner work
>in windows but not in Linux.
>Go to Beos website, download the free beos version.
>Try to install your hardware corectly. ( make it work at least better than
>in Linux )
>
>Did that mean that Beos is inferior of windows?
>Do the same with an IMac, can you install the hardware?
>Can you install windows on a PPC?
>In how many computer can you install windows ( legaly )?
>Can you install windows 98 on a 8Meg Ram system?
>What are the requirement for W2K? 64 Meg Ram i think!!!
>
"Me stupid. Me use windows. Me go to linux newsgroup. Troll."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:11:32 GMT
On 13 Jun 2000 14:03:26 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:22:21 GMT, Robert L. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>For the 2 part you have buy, do this.
>>
>>Put the cdrom on the cdrom tray.
>>mount it ( mount /dev/cdrom )
>>go to the good directory ( cd /mnt/cdrom/driver/linux )
>>install it ( ./install )
>
>In Windows:
>
>Put the CD in.
>Close it.
>Click on its icon in "My Computer".
>
>Simple. It works. Does it work on Linux? No.
Why do window's users have to CONSTANTLY lie?
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From: Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 14:13:52 EDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mayor
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <jrnaylor-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Mayor
> >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <jrnaylor-
> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> >> Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> [Snip]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
> >> >> _never_... ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> I've noticed that about you.
> >> >
> >> >Touche! That'll teach me to show my age by using a cliche you
> >> >impressionable young kids never heard before.
> >>
> >> Heh! If I'm a kid to you then you must be a fossil...or
> >> petrified! :)
> >
> >Maybe a bit of both? So do you like to pretend to take figures
> >of speech literally in general, or just when a cheap shot is
> >available?
>
> I didn't think it would need a smiley, it so obviously a joke.
> How's this:
>
> What's this? An actual reasoned response? Well, I
> _never_... ;-)
>
> I've noticed that about you. :)
>
> Is that better? Now calm down. :)
<splutter> But I _AM_ calm!!!!
</splutter>
I took it as a joke. That's why I'm so calm. You shoulda seen me when I
was your age! And it was _me_ who forgot the smiley on my last response.
Or maybe I shoulda asked "for information only." ;-)
OK, everybody calm now? ;-)
--
Jim Naylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:15:10 GMT
Tiberious <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Switch from Windows to Linux? Why?
Simple --- because that scanner, easy as it was to set up, is still a
nightmare to *use* for the kind of use I have in mind. If making a scan
cannot be fully automated under script control, it doesn't provide a
solution.
Bernie
--
There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full
Henry Kissinger
American politician
New York Times Magazine, 1 June 1969
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: 13 Jun 2000 18:05:04 GMT
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:29:15 GMT, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Linux takes less time than UNIX (which takes about 400 hours to
>fully comprehend).
Huh? You're comparing objects of incompatible type. *Which* unix?
--
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: iMacs With iTitude
Date: 13 Jun 2000 18:07:22 GMT
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:10:20 +1200, Lawrence D¹Oliveiro
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>This is what I mean. UNIX has been around so long that people have given
>up trying to even think about fixing its fundamental flaws. And they
>wonder why new users are so put off by it all, and why Linux is
>completely failing to make any headway on the desktop...
Heh. You'll be running unix soon enough.
--
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 18:11:55 GMT
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:43:21 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>And thirdly, if people don't question other peoples actions then who the
>hell will?
Computers?
<G,D&R>
--
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (void)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: G4 in space!
Date: 13 Jun 2000 18:10:03 GMT
On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:52:47 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Actually space based computers are very scary technology. There are a
>lot of factors with space, radiation, temperature ranges, power
>consumption (of course), and more. There may be a rad-hard G4 chip
>available where as a rad-hard StrongARM may not be.
What processor do they run VxWorks on? I know that's been to space ...
--
Ben
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