Linux-Advocacy Digest #55, Volume #35 Fri, 8 Jun 01 14:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux on Itanium ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Will MS get away with this one? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Win2k better than other MS OSes, but worse than Unix - report
Re: UI Importance ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: UI Importance ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: MS patches Exchange 2000 email spy bug ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux dead on the desktop. ("JS \\ PL")
Re: Linux is shit (Michael Vester)
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:13:15 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
> <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Thu, 7 Jun 2001 18:18:15 +0200
> <9fo7bi$n1j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:9fnl6v$b5e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> >> It would have been a hell of a lot funnier if they had said the virus
was
> >> win.com, user.dat or system.dat.
> >
> >You can't delete those.
> >But deleting Command.com will be effective, especially if you say reboot
> >after deleting the file.
>
> About all that will do (AFAICT) is affect Win <-> DOS thunking and
> execution of .BAT files. This means that one won't be able to run legacy
> software or .BAT scripts (I can just see Microsoft in the corner saying,
> "gosh, what a shame" :-) ).
>
> Win95 removed the necessity of COMMAND.COM quite awhile ago; this
> according to Andrew Schullman's _Unauthorized Windows95_,
> paraphrased, anyway.
Not as far as I know.
I found that removing C:\Windows\<some dir I can't remember, probably
Command>\Command.com or C:\command.com will render the computer unbootable
if it's running 9x.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:21:27 +0200
"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Many years ago, I taught computer classes all about dos. Windows was not
> on the horizon then. The biggest hurdle hurdle was the directories. Md,
> cd and rd were the hardest concepts. I tried analogies like file folders
> in a filing cabinet. I even brought paper files, file folders and a
> cabinet to demonstrate what the computer was doing. Still, despite my
> most valiant attempts, half the class could not understand. The other
> half were angry because the class was being held up.
>
> Even in a GUI environment, understanding the concept of directories is
> still baffling for many users. I can quickly judge a user's technical
> competence just by looking at the way they store their data files. When I
> see 500 data files in the root, I know that I am dealing with a "special
> needs" user. If I see data files neatly organized in a well thought out
> hierarchy, I know this user is comfortable with the technology and when
> they request tech support, it will be a real problem. They won't call tech
> support to turn on their computer.
I *just* had to explain this to someone, he is training to be a PC Mechanic
(have no idea about the correct term in English. Basically, the guy that
work at help-desk, OEMs, tech-support, come and fix computers, etc.)
They are just starting, and he (following the orders) tries to get the
described file layout on the disk.
He couldn't distingish betweena folder and a file even *after* I spent 15
minutes explaining it to him.
I'm not *that* bad in explaining stuff, I think.
The scary thing is that another person in the same class came in and while
he had a better understanding, he still had trouble getting this concept.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Linux on Itanium
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:22:54 +0200
"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7C6U6.23930$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What else can we predict the end of?
> 8088 compatibility in x86 processors
You can't do that.
8088 got to *non x86* proccessors already.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:40:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:01:47 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Wed, 16 May 2001 19:51:25 -0400
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > <>NO I'M BLOODY NOT!!!!!!!
>> >> > <>
>> >> > <>I'm simply illustrating a non genetic thing that people
>> >> > <>have no choice over. I cn't think of any others to hand
>> >> > <>since I'm not an expert on medical matters. This is
>> >> > <>simply one I know about.
>> >> > <>
>> >> >
>> >> > And where is your evidence that people have no choice over their
>> >> > homosexual behavior?
>> >>
>> >> Homosexual people often claim that. For instance Chronos Tachyon
>> >> claims that he had no choice what so ever. I expect there are
>> >> varying degrees of choice avaliable depending on the person.
>> >> Also, using myself as an
>> >
>> >So, you admit that it's a defect.
>>
>> What governmental policies would be required to deal with this "defect"?
>>
>
>it's not the defect itself that is the problem, it's the BEHAVIOR
>
>BEHAVIOR
>BEHAVIOR
>BEHAVIOR.
OK, so the problem is in the behavior. Now let me repeat the question,
suitably modified.
What governmental policies would be required to deal with this "problem",
arising from this "defect"?
Be specific.
>
>Is any of this getting through to you?
Wall to wall and treetop tall. However, what I'm going to do with the
information conveyed in this signal transmission isn't quite clear yet. :-)
[rest snipped]
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EAC code #191 39d:15h:02m actually running Linux.
Microsoft. When you're not aggravated enough.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:41:07 +0200
"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mT6U6.68368$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Sometimes. What I have here is a question: how
> is IBM involved in WFC, really?
I think the question is why, rather then how.
> No, no, it's not spelled "<*BIG STUPID GRIN*>"; it's spelled
> ":D".
>
> :D
>
ROTFL.
> I think MS's software is frequently well
> designed, and often better designed than the
> competition.
>
> They rarely get the implementation right on
> the first try; it's the good designs they use that
> allow them to overcome this in later
> revisions of their software.
Okay, this is a rational explanation to MS' Ver 3.0 sympthom.
Scarry!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:42:12 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, flatfish+++
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 01:10:36 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Fri, 08 Jun 2001 02:09:19 +0100, pip
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>flatfish+++ wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 21:00:14 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Fear makes a person small.
>>>
>>> And poisoning a childs mind is sick....
>>
>>Please could we end this OT debate here ?
>
>HITLER...
>
>How's that :)
No, I think one has to accuse one's opponent of being a Nazi.... :-) :-)
>
>
>flatfish+++
>"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random Godwinization here
EAC code #191 39d:15h:05m actually running Linux.
>>> Make Signatures Fast! <<<
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:47:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 07 Jun 2001 15:02:14 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Mon, 21 May 2001 23:40:00 -0400
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >"Vallely's Dirt in Boss King's Ditch.." wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Aaron's a homophobe,
>> > ^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> >You misspelled "person who finds buggery disgusting"
>>
>> Well, that's a start; "despise the sin but not the sinner" is
>> a good Christian value -- although I for one have trouble drawing
>> the boundary line, for we are what we do, although many aspire
>> to do more.
>>
>> But how is "buggery" any more or less disgusting than:
>>
>> - murder?
>> - drinking a woman's urine or eating her feces?
>> - typing up a person and beating him or her with a whip?
>> - highly orgasmic consensual sex which leaves a mess on the bed
>> and both participants wishing to take a drink and a shower and
>> launder the sheets because they sweated so much?
>> - bathing in the Ganges, which is full of crap?
>> - child molestation and abduction?
>> - eating from a cow whose carcass has been killed, drained,
>> dressed, aged, and ground up?
>> - goose dung?
>> - deliberatelly spraying or contaminating food or drugs with a
>> pathogen (e.g., E. Coli) or chemical poison such as cyanide,
>> strychnine, or even peanut oil (for those who are allergic to it,
>> that can be deadly)?
>> - razor blades in apples?
>> - eating tainted food and throwing up?
>> - eating too much food and throwing up (anorexia bulimia)?
>> - living in a rat-infested hovel, some rats infected with fleas,
>> some fleas infected with the pathogen responsible for bubonic plague?
>> - flesh-eating bacteria, Ebola, smallpox?
>> - blowing up a building, causing the deaths of 168 people, for no good
>> reason other than to exact revenge for a botched government action
>> 2 years ago?
>> - embracing an enemy soldier, live and ticking grenade in hand? [*]
>> - taking away a gun owner's legitimate right to own a weapon
>> in order to defend his house and family against an overdespotic
>> invader or government?
>> - taking away a land owner's legitimate right to own property and use
>> it as he sees fit, considerations of neighbors such as pollution,
>> noise, overbuilding, and such permitting?
>> - government-mandated taking from the rich and giving to the poor,
>> "rich" and "poor" being defined by sightly idiosyncratic government
>> procedures?
>> - dying on the street because of no home, food, and money?
>> - dying on the street because some bozo plays "shoot the target"?
>>
>> And, more to the point, which of these allegedly disgusting scourges
>> should the government or citizenry (ideally, both!) attempt to
>> spend money, energy, or other resources to eradicate, first?
>
>
>They're ALL disgusting.
Thank you for responding in the positive, but I was more interested
in the comparative. Specifically, which one of these should be
eradicated (or at least attempts at eradication done to) first using
public funds and/or resources, which one should be second, third, etc.
(i.e., a ranking), and why?
Again, please be specific, and bear also in mind that government is
a multilevel entity, from city to federal.
[rest snipped]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 39d:15h:09m actually running Linux.
Be paranoid. Everyone else is.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Will MS get away with this one?
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 17:49:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Donn Miller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Fri, 08 Jun 2001 08:33:11 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>> Where's Tim McVeigh when you need him?
>
>He'll be in the gas chamber next Monday in case you need anything...
Pedant point:
s/gas chamber/guerny/
Although I'll admit the idea is tempting. :-) However, Oklahoma
law apparently doesn't include death by cyanide gas. (Or if it
does, McVeigh didn't take that option.)
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 39d:16h:12m actually running Linux.
This is a pithy statement. Please watch where you pith.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Compiling Knews was: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 19:14:42 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> drsquare wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 23:28:47 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> (flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:53:59 +0000, "Gary Hallock"
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >>So, you agree. Linux just worked and Windows failed miserably,
>> >
>> >No.
>> >
>> >I am saying some Linux distos worked fine and others failed.
>> >Win2k worked fine will Win98se failed.
>>
>> Well, that doesn't say a lot for Windows98 then does it?
>>
>> >>Yeh, W2K works, unless you already have one NIC installed. As I have
>> >>mentioned here before, when I installed an ethernet card on my Thinkpad,
>> >>it already had a working token ring card. W2K refused to install the
>> >>ethernet and totally screwed things up with no rational error messages
>> >>until I uninstalled the token ring card and deleted all references to
>> >>TCP/IP. But, once again, Linux just worked. Why can't W2K handle
>> >>adding a second NIC?
>> >
>> >Good for you, I have still be unable to get an IBM Token Ring 16/4
>> >card working with ANY distribution.
>>
>> Why would you want a token ring card in the first place?
>
> Well, there is a reason and that reason was based on network congestion
> in a lan.
> IBM gives it a useability factor of 95%, whereas ethernet gives you 29%
> before things bog down. Get too many users pushing too much traffic and
> ethernet collision rates start to climb which is why IBM made token
> ring. The down side is that a good token ring set up requires two
> cables or rings instead of one cable. More wiring makes it more
> expensive. But with home networking ethernet moves along at a fast
> rate.
This was true enough when 10Mb half duplex ethernet was all there
was. These days with !00Mb full duplex ethernet and switches it is no
longer the case. The token ring was a nice design for its time though
but as you said a lot more expensive than ethernet.
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:10:46 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 21:43:10 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>>> > Basically, the reason is that the way NT is designed, if the GUI
>>subsystem
>>> > faults, then the OS blue screens anyways, whether or not it runs in
>>kernel
>>> > space. The OS's main thread drops to a blue screen when the GUI
>>subsystem
>>> > dies.
>>>
>>> That was one of MS most dumbest decisions... bringing the GUI into ring
>>> 0. It should have been kept out in another ring.
>>
>>You're not understanding. It doesn't matter if it ran in ring 0 or not, if
>>the GUI crashes, so does the OS, even if it's not running in ring 0.
>
> That's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
It's amazing the lengths EF will go to to defend MS. Why he can't just agree
that it is really stupid?
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Win2k better than other MS OSes, but worse than Unix - report
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 18:56:36 +0200
This is one humungous url I'm afraid:
http://www.gigaweb.com/marketing/home1.asp?q1=windows+2000+professional&c3=@ModifyDate&q3=+&q4=Marketing%2CEvents&c4=@Collection&sh=0&rn=1&mh=10&sd=ModifyDate&inc=bool&intKSQueryClassID=&intKSalonID=&urlContent=&intGContextID=25&salonsearch=false&st=quick&topicSearch=no
'And though Windows 2000 Server closed the reliability gap with all
versions of Novell, Inc.?s NetWare, the latest Microsoft Corp. server
operating system is still not as reliable as Unix. According to the
respondents; Windows 2000 requires 300 percent more unnecessary reboots
than Unix.'
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:51:04 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Does 'man stuff' work? :-)
No, it told me to stuff it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:53:05 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> No doubt somebody's written third-party tools to do simple things
> to the registry with command-line arguments. Not sure if RegEDT32.EXE
> is among them -- REGEDT32 portrays itself in the usual GUI fashion,
> but might have command-line options. However, I can't say I know
> offhand.
Console Registry Tool for Windows - version 3.0
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corp. 1981-2001. All rights reserved
REG Operation [Parameter List]
Operation [ QUERY | ADD | DELETE | COPY |
SAVE | LOAD | UNLOAD | RESTORE |
COMPARE | EXPORT | IMPORT ]
Return Code: (Except of REG COMPARE)
0 - Succussful
1 - Failed
For help on a specific operation type:
REG Operation /?
Examples:
REG QUERY /?
REG ADD /?
REG DELETE /?
REG COPY /?
REG SAVE /?
REG RESTORE /?
REG LOAD /?
REG UNLOAD /?
REG COMPARE /?
REG EXPORT /?
REG IMPORT /?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: MS patches Exchange 2000 email spy bug
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 20:59:26 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sean
> Linux isn't quite that restrictive, although ideally it
> would have upward-compatibility, as well. However, since the
> source code is usually available, one can "roll their own",
> in many cases. (Of course, this requires a certain mindset;
> "./configure && make depend && make" is a little harder --
> although not that much harder -- than "double-click on SETUP.EXE".)
> Some of the savvier individuals can also make modifications.
What is so frigging hard in putting this
./configure && make depend && make in a script and calling it setup.script,
and making the UI run it on dbclick?
> And then there's the wildcard: Java. Were everyone to immediately
> adopt Java, it may no longer matter what's underneath -- this must
> scare Microsoft, judging from their response (.NET and C# et al).
I think that .NET is like Java should've been. (Not dvelling on the
techincaleties here, I'm talking about general attidue)
It provide an easy way to port existing applications to the new platform, it
provide number of languages, and allows you to interact with the underlaying
OS. (IIRC, Java didn't have JNI in its first incarnation)
I've a friend that does Java programming. (I know Java enough to recognize
the syntax, and maybe do some simple apps, so I don't have 1st hand
experiance here)
He says that C# (personal experiance here is like my Java's.) is like a
better Java.
I must say that the most glaring defect I've found in Java is the case -
break statement. Why *allow* this error-prone process?
Java eliminate many of the C/C++ defects (usually by saying "this cause
bugs, it wouldn't be on Java"), why not take this out as well?
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dead on the desktop.
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 14:03:08 -0400
"drsquare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 03:15:43 -0400, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> Hard drive space for bloatware: $150
> >> RAM for crapware: $200
> >> CPU for the next version: $290
> >>
> >> Monopoly crapware: Priceless.
> >
> >Oh... looks like it's time to head on over to pricewatch dot com.
> >
> >Hard drive space for bloatware:
> >Well there an 80gb HD for 208.00 what's that work out to..... $2.60 to
store
> >Windows XP.
>
> I don't know where the fuck you're getting those figures from.
I'm sorry http://www.pricewatch.com I guess spelling out pricewatch dot com
threw you into a state of confusion.
>I'd
> like you to tell me somewhere that sells a harddisk for $2.60 that
> would be capable of using XP on. When you include programs etc, you're
> more than likely to have to spend at least £50 on a new harddisk.
I wasn't including programs, I was listing the "per mb" cost of the Windows
footprint on an 80 gb hard drive, which works out to a mere $2.60. Most
people don't have to get a larger hard drive to install XP though since it's
footprint is merely 1 gb.
>
> >RAM 128mb for $21.00 (my god it's getting cheap) But most people already
> >have at least 64mb if they are currently running Win98. So I'll just
order
> >64mb from Connect Computers for a whole - $9.00
> >
> >I'm up to $11.60
>
> Again, I don't know where you're getting your prices from. 128MB of
> RAM is more likely to cost at least £50.
Again, the first sentnce of the thread your replying to refered to where the
prices came from.
>
> I'm up to $100.
You mean your current hd is less than 1gb and you have NO RAM to start with?
Damn.
>
> >Now I need a MONSTER, state of the art, 233mhz processor (actually I'm
> >currently running XP beta on a 233 w/ 60mb EDO RAM and it runs fine)
> >
> >Looks like a place called Kahlon will sell me a 233 for $27.00 (that
hurts)
>
> And it will run like a dead whale at that speed. I think you're more
> likely to need a 500Mhz, which of course will require a new
> motherboard. So that's what, another £200?
Windows XP isn't processor intensive. My 233 mhz hovers around 6% processor
usage 99.9 % of it's life.
> >I'm almost out $40.00 upgrading my system to accomodate Windows XP!
> >
> >DAMN YOU MICROSOFT!! DAMN YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!!
>
> Yeah, £300, plus the cost of the OS on top of that. Not QUITE as cheap
> as you make it out to be.
Cheaper actually because I didn't spend a dime on hardware to install WinXP
beta. Most of the rest of the world will not have to spend a dime on
hardware to install it either. If your sitting on a box with less than 60 mb
of RAM and less than 1 gb of free hard drive space, and less than a 233 mhz
processor. NOT having windows XP isn't your biggest problem.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is shit
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 04:35:06 -0700
Terry Porter wrote:
>
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:57:02 +0100, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> I assumed this happend to you?
> >> Yep, tho I did use it to print 250 pages a month for 5 years, and made
> >> about $12500 from it :)
> >
> > That's quite good going.
> Actually it was $3500 for the Access database design, and $150 a month
> to print 1000 statements, each 1/4 strip of an A4 page, guilotined
> from the std A4 stock, The Epson Stylus was modified by me to take these
> thin strips, which resylted in the heads flying back and fro only over
> that particular area.
>
> <snip>
> >> I wonder if a roller kit is available?
> >
> > I don't know. I think it's the mechanism to lift bthe paper on t the
> > rollers at the back that's a little sticky. Some oil might fix it.
> Oil on paper is not a nice look, thin grease perhaps?
>
> personally I think the roller surface has become 'smoothed' by years
> of paper pulling, and that why it wont pickup properly ?
>
> You could remove the roller and put it in a lathe, and use some fine
> sandpaper to ruff it up again ?
>
> If this is it, then most of your other rollers will be in a similar state
> and a roller kit would be cool. Hp make them for their lasers.
>
> > That is pretty poor service. I was also deeply disappointed with the
> > manual for the 930c. The manual for the 500 was 5x as thick and in 1
> > language instead of 10, so it had a lot more content. The manual actually
> > contained the entire definition of PCL4 amongst other things. The new
> > manual tells you to check if the printer is plugged in. Definitely a big
> > drop in quality there.
>
> Yep, HP is a shaddow of its former self.
>
I called HP to complain about the rollers not picking up paper. They
shipped out, at no cost to me, a kit which allowed me to "roughen up" the
rollers. It was a small metal cradle holding spring loaded sanding blocks
and a bit of dos software to tell the printer to ff for a minute. Worked
like a charm.
> <snip>
> >> I'm not supprised, as every printer I have tried under Linux, has
> >> worked.
> >
> > Oddly enough, same here.
> >
> >> Just as well I'm not a fish ;-)
> >
> > Or a square "Dr".
>
> Hahahah!
>
> --
> Kind Regards from Terry
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Michael Vester
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too late for the pebbles to vote"
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