Linux-Advocacy Digest #65, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Jun 00 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux faster than Windows? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies.... ("Rich
C")
Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Simon MUST be in TROUBLE (Salvador Peralta)
Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Canada invites Microsoft north (tholenbot)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Alan Boyd)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ("Rich C")
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ("kosh")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Marty)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies.... (abraxas)
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies.... (abraxas)
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE ("kosh")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux faster than Windows?
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:57:07 GMT
Say.... you wouldn't happen to work for a company called Mindcraft Inc.,
would you? On the other hand, I s'pose not... their benchmarking suites
aren't nearly as sophisticated as yours. Sorry.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:22:53 -0400
"JEDIDIAH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> A product is ultimately most compatible with itself.
>
LOL!!! Of course you're NOT talking about Office?!?!
--
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft W2K lack of goals.
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:02:51 GMT
In article <39469741$0$22155$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> I hate linux fanatics
> far more than I have any feelings one way or another for Linux the
product
> (which has it's good points as well as bad, like anything else).
Its a shame you can't categorize the alternate-OS advocates as well as
you can the alternate-OSen. Life is much too short to waste even a
small portion of it on hating anything or anybody. There are many here
who are truly sincere, certainly more jerks than we need, but the
majority fall somewhere in between.
> I like to dream... and sometimes I dream of a better OS -- but
honestly,
> MOST of the time I dream of my wife, my son, winning the World Shoot
or
> winning some huge lotto...
May all your dreams be wet.
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From: Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simon MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:18:12 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Simon777 is sweating his retirement. His stock is in the crapper so
he's fudding linux as an alternative to micros~1 actually producing
something worthy of the hype. If micros~1 wasn't worried about their
marketshare, simon777 would have no need to FUD.
lwm wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> <Highly insightful comments deleted for brevity>
--
Salvador Peralta
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.la-online.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Open Source Programmers Demonstrate Incompetence
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:20:04 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED] would say:
>Tim wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > pie@nowhere wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> says...
>> >>
>> >> >But you don't know the design goal of the program. If the main design
>> >> >goal was portability,
>> >>
>> >> Why do not you guys just use Java and be done with it?
>> >>
>> >> All this stupid talk about this might be portable and that might not,
>> >> is a waste of time. C sucks and so does C++.
>> >>
>> >> Use Java. Be smart. Who cares about C any more.
>> >
>> > You are really stupid.
>> >
>> > -Ed
>> >
>> >
>> Aren't we ready for D yet?
>>
>> (get it?)
>
>C+=2
>
>or c++++
>or ++c++
>or ++++c
>
>But you never know, someone (in marketing) who didn't get the joke might
>try a C+++ or something.
Take a look at Microsoft Research's web site for "C--"
It's a "minimalist C-like language" intended to be used as an intermediate
form that could be aggressively optimized.
The idea _isn't_ horrible; while the stuff Microsoft _sells_ may be
pretty painful, they have "bought out" a sizable number of pretty good
research folk, so some of the "MSR" stuff is pretty good, albeit not
necessarily available for sale...
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/c.html>
"Some sins carry with them their own automatic punishment. Microsoft
is one such. Live by the Bill, suffer by the Bill, die by the Bill."
-- Tom Christiansen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:22:55 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> There's one thing I've noticed about altruistic organisations - they
tend
> to disappear once the real world intrudes.
We've certainly all noticed the death of organized religion. Several
time now. Just in my lifetime. So why's it still around?
> Oh it can die alright. When the next fad comes along and sweeps all
the
> Linux developers then you can kiss Linux bye bye.
As long as technology decisions are made by clueless bosses of the
pointy-haired persuasion, that's a chance we all take, Windows included.
[snip]
> Congratulations! You've proved my point! Linux is lagging behind
Windows!
> Linux is playing catchup! Thank you! Thank you!
Playing "catchup" as you call it is actually a good position to be in.
That's one of the areas where real innovation can occur; after all,
isn't W2K playing catchup to UNIX in the stability area? Is that not a
good thing? Would you rather W2K not play catchup in stability?
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From: tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Canada invites Microsoft north
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:32:19 -0400
TholenBotPro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> tholenbot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > TholenBotPro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > X-Face: &'`TcHchf{Dv=[je~bQVYl/3/UyvgwH.r{Vp"kPk_yV^%KhO3ZAfB,^[o@-d,
> > >
> > > i<87P$$Vh/Y8zPCSSunqSrl{%__y3k/g4/r2/VEUUlRbpn]`a6-3-3P9vSW=`A*]T^O
> > > z
> > > uAe!\b#:+G,;/!^*a`/E'4i-0@#nV9#sW\BjGv#dq'ad0=W;kFd6uX',
> >
> > Typical invective.
>
> More evidence of your lack of X-Face interpretation skills.
Incorrect.
> > I wonder how the Borg would react to this
> > information.
>
> Taking posting lessons from Hugh again, Eric?
Who?
> Typical erroneous pontification.
Prove it. Meanwhile, where is your logical argument?
> On the contrary, quite logical.
What is "logical" about it?
--
Prove that it's just a flesh wound, if you think you can.
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From: Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:33:47 -0500
Darren Wyn Rees wrote:
>
> Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on
> Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:57:13 +0200 in comp.os.linux.advocacy:
>
> > Prepare to write much more of this in the comming months. In lots of
> > European countries it seems that the respective parlaments will force the
> > usage of open sourced software and operatings systems .. In France there is
> > currently a proposol and a majority to shift to open source. In Germany a
> > similar proposal was made and the same is happening in the danish
> > parlament. I dont know of other countries... but this is a start.
>
> Do you have any further pointers on these proposals ?
>
> I'd like to read more on these proposals you claim are being
> made in European parliaments.
This isn't Europe, but here's one:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/Silicon/silicon981126.html
Score another victory for Linux. Earlier this month, the
Mexican government chose the open-source operating
system for 140,000 elementary and middle school computer
labs.
As for France, I found this story
http://www.wideopen.com/story/343.html
A proposed French law adopting free and/or open source
software as the official state standard has been rewritten
and tightened up, following the French Senate's pioneering
experiment with electronic discussion. The new text,
originally proposed as loi 495 but now retagged 117, cleans
up terminology, but perhaps the most intriguing new aspect
is the proposal to establish L'Agence du Logiciel Libre
(the Free Software Agency) to oversee the process of
switching and standardisation.
and this one:
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=1999-12-23-001-05-NW
In France, three months ago, three senators proposed a
legislative bill (number 495), making it obligatory
for the French government to use free software.
After recently completing public discussion of the
proposed law, a new version (number 117) has been
written, taking into account many comments from the
free software community concerning the "logiciel
libre" definition.
And Germany
http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-03-18-003-05-NW
"At http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/odi-15.03.00-001/
you can read an article in German of Heise news. It's about
Open Source in the federal administration of Germany.
"A short summary :
The coordination and advisory board (KBSt)
[http://www.kbst.bund.de/] of the Federal
Government for information technology in the
federal administration has published a
proposal [http://linux.kbst.bund.de/] to use
Open Source Software in the federal
administration. The board sees as possible
fields of implementation of Free Software
like the operating systems Linux and FreeBSD
servers and desktops. They're also
pointing to the possible savings : not only
less license fees but also less hardware costs
as older hardware can be used because of the
lesser need for resources.
--
"I don't believe in anti-anything. A man has to have a
program; you have to be *for* something, otherwise you
will never get anywhere." -- Harry S Truman
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:31:17 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip]
> I used to call Chevy Corvettes crap back when was 18 and couldn't
> afford one.
I got news for ya: they ARE crap and you were right when you were 18. You're
just so impressed now with everything that costs a lot of money, like
Wimp-dows(OSSM) that you think it's automatically superior.
[snip]
> > ...assuming everything is set up just so beforehand and every
> > fileytype that you're going to encounter EVER is already accounted
> > for.
>
> Windows does that automagically. Excepting of course the odball
> filetype that some LinoIdiot will send now and then.
NO IT DOESN'T. The applications do that, if they install properly. They
register with the central registry, and every friggin' program that thinks
it should manage a particular file type DOES, and screws up previous apps
that you may have wanted to manage that file type. I go throught this ALL
the time with Wimp-dows(OSSM.) Every time I get it the way I want it, there
is some stupid update to IE that puts it all wrong again.
[snip]
> I don't.. My company forbids Linux because it is not considered a
> standard. Other companies, mainly brokerage houses and banks do the
> same.
>
They're just catering to the average computer-illiterate user. They're
afraid that the user will break the system and IT will have to come over and
restore the system. It's simply a general policy against "non-approved"
software; it's not a mandate against Linux per se.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:43:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Just in time for ISA slots to be eliminated from motherboards.....
>
> At best you can buy a Motherboard with ONE ISA slot....
>
> Typical Linux....
Actually this is good for "financially challenged" organizations; it
means they can jump off the upgrade treadmill that Microsoft has put
them on and actually realize some return on their technology investment
before their compute infrastructure goes to the recycler.
By the way, if you're willing to "donate" those old ISA mobo systems,
send me your e-mail address; I have a non-profit client who is desparate
for anything that will run any version of Windows...(or Linux, of
course).
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From: "kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:40:06 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[non pertienent sections deleted]
>
>
> Crap only to the small number of Linux users that can't use them. The
> rest of the world, 90 percent or so, are doing quite nicely using them
> under Windows.
>
Simon I would suggest you talk to some of those ISPs you seem to be so
familiar with. Winmodems are the bane of our existance. They cause more
problems then anything else every does. Actually we are will officiially
supporting linux soon also since it is cheaper to support the windows. We
have them set it up once and then not have to worry about it again.
[not pertient section deleted]
>> The same goes for scanners hacked onto an interface never designed to
>> be a bus, and modems that really aren't that. As far as UNmodems go,
>> the serious non-shill Windows using crowd agrees with us, not you.
>
>
> Again, the majority, 90 percent or more are using these devices
> successfully....
>
That is a logical fallacy. 90% means absolutely nothing. At one time most
humans thought the world was flat. That did not make the world flat. Just
because 90% of people agree with something, or thing something does not
make something valid.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:53:17 GMT
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Leslie Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:8i3529$2pha$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <kO315.6297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [snip]
> > > > Beg your pardon? When did Microsoft *ever* stick to standard
> > > > formats and protocols? If the one they replaced was problematic,
> > > > it was entirely their own problem that they invented and sold
> > > > us.
> > >
> > > I am not aware of any case where MS stuck with decades old
> > > Unix technology without at least trying to make *some* improvements.
> > >
> > > So I guess the answer is "never".
> >
> > What about Hotmail?
>
> Hotmail is standard format or protocol?
MS stuck with "decades old Unix technology without trying to make *some*
improvements" in this case.
> > What they attempted with it was a far from an
> > improvement, hence they stuck with BSD.
>
> They haven't attempted anything with it that I know
> of.
They attempted to change over to an NT based system. [anybody still have a
link to that URL?]
> > MS also bragged about how their media production facilities were not
> > prone to virii because they were using Unix boxes. [anybody still have
> > a link to that web page?]
>
> That strikes me as very likely a fabrication. Even if it were true,
> MS would never admit it. :D
Then MS is the one who fabricated it...
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q80/5/20.ASP
"Disks are duplicated on a variety of industrial strength, quality
focused systems. Most of these systems are UNIX-based. The
UNIX-based duplication systems used in manufacturing are impervious
to MS-DOS-based, Windows- based, and Macintosh-based viruses."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 14 Jun 2000 02:56:08 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> So exactly how is Linux going to unseat the already 90 or more percent
> of home/SOHO/desktop users from Windows and entice them into running
> Linux?
Why does anyone care?
> How about Office suites?
I use abiword almost exclusively, and staroffice when I need to save
something into Word format...which it does flawlessly.
> Sure StarOffice is free, it is free for Windows users also but
> virtually nobody uses it. Why is that?
Because most people that use MSOffice didnt pay for it themselves.
> How about hardware support.
I seem to be fine.
> Still using that Daisywheel printer? Dot-Matrix job you bought at an
> IBM fleamarket? I doubt it. Today's PC's come with state of the art
> hardware built in to the system. Sure some of it (modem?) might be Win
> hardware, but who really cares? It works...
I have a nice canon printer (actually pretty expensive) thats about
a year old and has windows stickers all over it. It works fine under
linux.
> Try that same combination under Linux and see what happens.
My mousewheel works fine. My aureal soundcard works fine. My two
100base/T NICs work fine. My TNT ultra works fine.
> How about all that fine software that was included with the price of
> your Walmart special PC. Guess what!! It won't work with Linux!!!!
Why would I want to use any of that stuff? None of it is actually
useful. Encarta CDs are quite literally a dime a dozen.
> So you have to try and acquire equivalent versions of everything near
> and dear to you.
Why? Linux is not windows, and its not pretending to be.
> Let's talk ISP's.
> Talk to Earthlink, Worldnet, FreeWeb, AOL, Compuserv and see what they
> think of Linux.
1. ISPs that spam your screen with unwelcome advertisements are stupid
2. I actually use my 8 year old AOL account from winNT, which runs
inside VMWare, which runs under linux just fine.
> Try it yourself and see. Hint,,,,they are not happy......
Why would I tell any of them that im running linux? What does it
matter to them? PPP is PPP, CHAP is CHAP, PAP is PAP, and since
I have DSL, none of that matters in the first place.
> How about Napster,
Gnapster, Gnome-Gnapster, Knapster, etc.
> Digital Audio,
Got it.
> Digital Video
Got it.
> and so forth. Think
> the best programs and hardware are supported under Linux?
Hmmm...probably not for the video or audio. Id have to go with SGI
and Mac respectively.
> Think again....
> Windows has all the major players and Linux has nothing but a pile of
> promises.
Like what? And whos making these promises?
> Come to think about it Linux is all about promises and no
> deliveries....
As ive said, my setup is working just fine, and with minimal effort
on my part. And since it doesnt break, its far less of a hassle to
run than windows.
> Point is there is absolutely no reason to run Linux on your desktop
> unless you are too cheap to buy a real operating system.
Operating systems I own:
BSDi, Windows98, WindowsNT4.0, Windows2000 workstation, BeOS 4.5, 5.0 (P.)
I'm not to cheap to buy a real operating system, I simply happen to
prefer linux.
> And again, isn't your time worth something?
You wouldnt believe what I charge for my time. :)
> Run Windows and come home to the family......
Most of my family runs MacOS actually. A few of them run some sort
of unix-like operating system.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy lies....
Date: 14 Jun 2000 02:57:45 GMT
And here we have the crux of the matter:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quake scores are LOWER under Linux...Take a look at ANY benchmark....
You know, if you want to play games, you can save quite alot of money
these days and get one of those nice toys you connect to your
television...
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 02:53:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
> I have nothing to fear.
> I have the software.
> I have the hardware support.
> I have the user base at 90 percent or more.
>
> What is to fear?
The Sherman Act.
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From: "kosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:52:51 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cihl) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Hello? Pete? Have you been paying attention at all? Linux does NOT
>>belong to any business or (evil) corporation, it exists out of a
>>community effort.
>
> There's one thing I've noticed about altruistic organisations - they
> tend to disappear once the real world intrudes.
>
>>Linux cannot die, ever! As a manner of speaking you could shoot Linus
>>Torvalds, Alan Cox and Alexander Viro, and Linux development would STILL
>>continue. There's NO WAY of stopping it, EVER. It's estimated that the
>>Linux-effort has over 50.000 developers working on the various
>>components at any given time!
>
> Oh it can die alright. When the next fad comes along and sweeps all the
> Linux developers then you can kiss Linux bye bye.
>
>>For instance, the graphical installation procedures have only even
>>existed for the last 3 (three) months. Give it another year, and Linux
>>will BLOW Windows AWAY for the installation.
>
> Another year...
>
Actually the beuty of the linux world is how fast things can change. I
just watched two people install Mandrake 7.1 without any problems. Install
far easier then windows did. Runs on all their hadware just fine. Geforce
sblive, K7 box. The graphical installed of Mandrake 7.0 and 7.1 and very
nice. Many have suggested MS could learn from those installers.
>>Give it another two years from now, and Linux will support all hardware,
>>old and new.
>
> Another two years...
>
This also moves rapdily. Usually the only hardware I find it does no
support are those software devices like winmodems and winprinters. Even
those are going away as an issue. Lucent technoglies has released a linux
drive for their LT winmodems. It also supports a low of new hardware that
windows does not. Example the ATA 100 controllers. The IA64 is another
good example.
>>Desktop environments are evolving so fast you won't believe it! Look at
>>the difference between KDE1 and KDE2, for instance! Look at the new
>>Gnome! They all get slicker with every new version, which appear about
>>every 3 to 4 months!
>
> Getting slicker...
>
They are already nicer to use then windows is. I program and for me it is
unacceptable for the OS or gui to die no matter how much pressure I put
it under. Windows dies to easily. Yes it get critized by some I work with
for having computers run what they think is too many apps at a time.
However linux handles these loads just fine.
>>The X-environment is getting a hook into the kernel (DRI), which ensures
>>the same performance as in Windows.
>
> Getting a hook...
>
Got a hook. It is already in and works :)
>> Linux is developing a new
>>3D-audio library (http://www.openal.org), after which the SB-Live
>>drivers will come out for Linux.
>
> ...is developing...
>
Linux has very nice sblive drivers. They play in surround just fine they
just don support 3d sound. However their sound is cleaner then what they
product under windows. I use by sblive under both linux and windows with a
DTT 2500 speakers.
> Congratulations! You've proved my point! Linux is lagging behind
> Windows! Linux is playing catchup! Thank you! Thank you!
>
> Now, how many years does it all add up to I wonder...
>
Almost none. You see most people do not stay up to date with things. By
the time you post something here chances are it has already been fixed. No
matter how fast windows adapts and changes linux adapts faster. Many
compare microsoft to the borg but that I think is the wrong analogy.
Microsoft does not adapt quickly linux does. There is no way to kill it
because everything you do makes it stonger. Every time you point out a
weakness it gets fixed and there is one fewer weakenss.
> Pete
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