Linux-Advocacy Digest #125, Volume #27 Fri, 16 Jun 00 16:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K ("Marc Schlensog")
Re: The Mainframe VS the PC. ("Marc Schlensog")
Re: Linux User Counts, - time for an update ("Marc Schlensog")
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Leslie
Mikesell)
RE: Could this EVER happen in Linux?(or WINDOWS S**KS A**) ("Jorge Cueto")
Licenses ("Jorge Cueto")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Hardware and Linux - Setting the Record Straight (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Number of Linux Users (Gary Hallock)
Re: Number of Linux Users (Gary Hallock)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day ("Christopher
Smith")
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: ApplixWare? More Build It As You Go Along Linux.... (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Drestin is not worthy! ("Marc Schlensog")
Re: Licenses (DeAnn Iwan)
Re: Linux app spec... (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (John Bode)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Drestin is not worthy! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux app spec... (Mingus)
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft migrates Hotmail to W2K
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:11:37 +0200
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
9gC_4.18078$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> A system running NT4 can be c2-certified, it's been done.
> You are playing with syntax, context and being over literal/specific one
> time then generalizing the other. You are desperate because you have no
real
> argument. What IS your point? Do you have any other than to attack NT
> advocates for telling the truth you don't want to hear?
Jeesh, Drestin, Iīm making fun of you, trying to bring life in the house,
and
you donīt even get it. Itīs for the amusement of all the Anti-M$-1337-guyz
out there <b.e.g.>.
[Snip]
> > Hey Dres, one day I gonna getcha! And Iīm pretty fucking close!
>
> hahahaha... whatever, get a grip.
get a grip on what? a nice old 300SEL 6.3? You know what? Iīm trying too!
(Although, my '81 Mercedes 230CE ainīt too bad either!)
>
[Snip]
Marc
P.S. Are we having fun yet?
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Mainframe VS the PC.
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:41:18 +0200
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
8i6026$buu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <snip>
>
> > So, how's your 80x25 text mode image editor coming along ?
>
Thereīs not only 80x25. Thereīs also stuff like 80x50, 80x60, or even more
fun:
132x43 or 160x60. Iīd say, thatīs quite a lot of output.
[snip]
Marc
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux User Counts, - time for an update
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:53:15 +0200
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
HcC_4.18042$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8hdbop$204$10$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [Snip]
[Snip]
> >
> > Hey Dres, guess what: this time _I_ want proof. Names, Dres, *names*.
>
> Easy: Whistler.
>
> OK, there, I did it. Very easy. You asked and I gave. Kinda takes the
entire
> wind outta your sails now doesn't it?
Not really. I read about it, I believe you, and itīs supposed to be
_sssssexy_!
(1Q: How can an OS be sexy?)
BTW: Was it good for you? Is your keyboard still wet and slimy? Or did
you wipe it all away?
>
> So, there is you blindly believing that just because Rex writes something
> it's the gospel truth, despite his lacking URLs and any documentation for
> anything.
>
> Who's the fool?
I donīt remember having called you a fool in this thread... can you prove
me
wrong? _fool_?
>
> >
> > [Snip]
> >
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > PS: Ah, Dres donīt have no signature, na na na naaaaaa na!!!!
>
> Nope, never had never will, they are lame. just a waste of bandwidth and
And your reposting is saving bandwidth, or what? I donīt think, that youīre
saving bandwidth at all
> clutters up replies - I'd rather be using HTML posts than sigs. if we're
to
> that.
>
Woohoo, theyīre lame. Hey Stephen, Dres sez, you is lame!
Did you get off once again? Oh my gosh! What a mess!
>
Marc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: 16 Jun 2000 14:08:08 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If the interface you are using bears a strange resemblance to how
>> you would effectively use a DOS version of Word Perfect, then it is
>> indeed really just a CLI sanitized for your peace of mind.
>
>That's an interesting thought. Any examples, or are you hoping someone
>will let this slide?
Did you ever use DOS Wordperfect with it's mouse and menu interface
activated? Or the DOS version of FoxPro? These had drop-down
menus, cut and paste, mouse click to position the cursor, and all
of the interface features that make sense in a character based
environment. I don't know the history of the interface research
but there was something called 'CUA' for common user interface
that must have been the basis for these and the subsequent GUI
interfaces with the top menu bar/drop down menu styles. The
difference, of course, was that back when it mattered the character
based versions were about ten times faster.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Could this EVER happen in Linux?(or WINDOWS S**KS A**)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:38:23 GMT
> Unfortunately that did not help. Won't even boot into safe mode.
> Looks like a reformat and/or reinstall of the OS. And this user has a ton
> of installed software that will have to be rebuilt. I have run into a
handful
> of these Protection errors and the solution always seems to be reformat
> and reinstall.
To rebuilt the installed software is easy. Install Windows on the same
directory and then import the backup registry copy (you've got one, haven't
you ?). Always keep registry backup for these cases ...
>I somehow doubt that Linux would ever be so difficult
> in this regard, have any of you Linux Vets out there run into something
> like this in Linux?
Well, kernel panics are awful things, although just use to happen when
hardware goes wrong (either RAM, HD, and the so).
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From: "Jorge Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Licenses
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:38:30 GMT
Well, after reading the GNU homepage licenses (there are a lot) and
listening to people these days, I've found a problem in my mind. Can't
decide if BSD license is better than GPL one or if this last is the best.
I'd appreciate your opinion and would like to know which are the weak
and strong points of each license. By now, I think BSD is less restrictive
in fact than GPL, and although a company takes a BSD product and turns
it to propietary one, the original BSD one would be still there for a
parallel
develop of a GPL product (if desired), wouldn't it ? Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: 16 Jun 2000 14:14:57 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>If Windows is so easy, why do schools have classes teaching people
>>how to use it? Why do so many brochures about expensive seminars
>>about every little detail appear in my inbox all the time?
>>
>>Is there some official estimate of how much time or money a year
>>goes into Windows-related training?
>
>What are you talking about ?
>
>Where I work, a few people go to a Windows basics course of one or two
>days duration, but most of the training is on applications like Excel,
>Word or Access. They (as you should know) are quite complicated and
>powerful programs.
And how many of the people at your work do anything at the
Windows OS level besides load their application? Do they add
hardware, install programs, or even do their own backups?
If you have an experienced person around to set it up, any
operating system works. If you don't and have anything
important, you better know how to do a backup and restore
at least - the drives can and do break.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Hardware and Linux - Setting the Record Straight
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:23:29 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My current favorite is CivCTP and I am anxiously awaiting SimCity
> 3000 Unlimited. Reel Deal Slots is also kind of cute. I also
> indulge in an occasional Quake III fragfest whenever I feel like
> being viciously humiliated...
Picked up a copy of Sim City 3000 World Edition. Quake III is a blast, but
we generally play Unreal Tournament at work, with Bonus pack, various
voices and TeamSound. All done to test out our Device Driver work, of
course!
Pete
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:23:28 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Drestin Black wrote:
> "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> > achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking over.
> > >
> > > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking over."?
> >
>
> Only if the market size itself isn't increasing.... which it is.
It seems you do not understand the meaning of the phrase "market share".
Gary
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:27:32 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Drestin Black wrote:
> "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If a product has increasing market share each year (which Linux has
> > achieved in the server os market), they are taking over.
> >
> >
> > Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > > "Michael Born" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Where Linux is superior now (as a server), it is in fact taking over.
> > >
> > > really? how does being in the minority indate "in fact taking over."?
> >
>
> And what if the portion of the marketshare that Linux "takes over" is that
> share that once belonged to other Unixes and the Mac and "Others" - it's
> definately not taking over any of the NT share.
And what if that portion of the Unix market being taken over by Linux was
targeted by MS for NT? That is called an opportunity cost. After all,
doesn't MS want NT to replace Unix?
Gary
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 05:29:42 +1000
"Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8ic9il$e65$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christopher Smith"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Well I must say that I think that's a silly definition to use :). Like
I
> > said before, where would a voice control system fit into this ?
> >
> > How about keyboard alternatives ?
>
> I think Rich (correct me, please, if I'm overstepping) would like us to
> be more specific, though to what purpose, I'm still unclear. Perhaps the
> following suggested list will stimulate thought:
>
> KUI keyboard
> CLI command line
> GUI graphics
> EUI eyeball
> VUI verbal
> NUI neural
> HUI handshake (literally, for wearable computer )
>
> Perhaps some of these could be "pure" interfaces (HUI, NUI?). Most of
> them would wind up being combined with others in a functional system.
I think the point I'm failing to get across here is that the tool you use an
interface with is irrelevant to the class of that interface.
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Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:29:14 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Winsper) wrote
in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Care to properly document those tests? Maybe I missed them, my ISP
>does seem to be missing a lot of posts recently.
I have been thinking about posting the results on my web site.
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: 16 Jun 2000 14:21:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Consider the plight of the poor support person. Under Unix,
>for example, one could in theory talk through a problem,
>spelling it out if necessary:
>
>Customer Support: "Now then, you're missing the file tcpdump?"
>
>Befuddled One: "Yes. How do I find it?"
How would this scenario be different if the file in question
were comctl32.dll, or odbctl32.dll or some particular flavor
of direct X that another program didn't like?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Stocks and your sanity...
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:33:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) wrote in
<_Cf25.220088$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>That is possible, although there are few guarantees, after all,
>
>a) It is _vastly_ more common for processes to be I/O bound than for
>them to be CPU bound.
True, true
>If the system is waiting around for the disk to spin to the right
>spot, it is hardly suffering from the code not being optimized well
>enough.
Um, well, Linux is installed on the newer and faster of my two disks. So...
shouldn't it benefit from this slight speed advantage?
>Benchmark-happy people _are_ getting into the game, as some people
>think that how many frames of Quake can be displayed per second, or
>how many RC5 keys can be examined, is of some importance.
It indicates how well your machine will respond under heavy load. Dropping
to 5 or 6 frames a second is a disaster, in that time someone has shot you
in Unreal Tournament.
>But in any case, the _major_ issues when systems are running too slow
>are not the piddly little things like which compiler optimizations
>were in use; the _big_ issues are whether or not you picked good
>algorithms to implement whatever is being executed repeatedly.
>
>Bad algorithms result in the system being slow, regardless of what
>compiler gets used.
The algorithm is the same in each case, POVray is available as source.
>>Ah I see, I must kill all extraneous daemons, that sounds like a recipe
>>for disaster. Shall I kill the NULL process? 8)
>
>That sounds like a neat idea...
>
>Hmm...
>% killall -9 null
>++++.% CARRIER LOST
I think I prefer "Tron", END OF LINE.
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Subject: Re: ApplixWare? More Build It As You Go Along Linux....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:35:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (OSguy) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> No puddy tat!
>>
>> Seriously, if a package on Linux had a cutesie puddy tat like MS Word
>> 2000, I'd switch to Linux overnight.
>>
>> Pete
>
>Now that's more scary than the creepy paperclip.
B*}
Pete
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From: "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Drestin is not worthy!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:33:22 +0200
Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
394a6fe1$0$176$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[snip]
> Oh Marc... stones, glasshouses, any of this ring a bell?
Well, look at my reply address. English isnīt my native tongue.
>
>
> >
> >
> > BTW, is it normal for OE to crash, when shutting down RealPlayer?
>
> only when run by a linux user.
???? Now youīre getting ridiculous.
Marc
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From: DeAnn Iwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Licenses
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:35:46 -0400
There is a lot of BSD code embedded in MS Windows. How you feel
about that probably says a lot about how you feel about GNU vs BSD
licenses.
Jorge Cueto wrote:
>
> Well, after reading the GNU homepage licenses (there are a lot) and
> listening to people these days, I've found a problem in my mind. Can't
> decide if BSD license is better than GPL one or if this last is the best.
> I'd appreciate your opinion and would like to know which are the weak
> and strong points of each license. By now, I think BSD is less restrictive
> in fact than GPL, and although a company takes a BSD product and turns
> it to propietary one, the original BSD one would be still there for a
> parallel
> develop of a GPL product (if desired), wouldn't it ? Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Linux app spec...
Date: 16 Jun 2000 14:30:42 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mingus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I don't use Linux and I don't know anyone who does.
Why don't you install a Mandrake 7.1 with staroffice or WP office
and get back to us with what you think is still missing.
>Lets say they wanted a mail client. Pine offers none of the above as
>far as I know yet something like MS Outlook does. Obviously MS Outlook
>does not yet exist for Linux but you see my point.
If you don't like kmail, try Netscape's messenger.
>Microsoft has done a similar thing with the Windows logo program.
>They've added many requirements over the years. Isn't it about time
>Linux tried to clone it?
No. They are doing fine - just delete the programs you don't like
instead of letting someone else dictate how they must work.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: John Bode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:42:52 GMT
In article <8ib499$5df$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> > Also, the desktop market is going to undergo a sea change in the
> > next few years. Internet appliances are becoming more common, and
> > platforms like the PS2 will combine bitchin' games with network
> > access. The desktop machine as we know and love it today may not
> > be so common in the next few years. Desktop OSes may become
> > irrelevant altogether.
> >
>
> Let's not get psycho here. Anybody remember the hype a few years back
> about how "thin client" were going to eliminate PCs in the office?
> Nobody seemed to remember that what they were basically talking about
> was bringing back mainframes and dumb terminals. Didn't work then,
> won't work now.
>
> And sure, I-Appliances will have their place, but they'll never
> replace computers. Neither will the PS2. You ever try web-surfing at
> 800x600 with a gamepad?
>
I agree, the technology isn't there yet. And yes, I do remember the
hype about thin clients. Hell, I remember the hype about the "paperless
office" (judging by our recycle bins, I'd say that was a bust). I'm not
thinking in terms of a thin client as such. What I envision will still
have its own internal storage and software, but will be tailored to a
specific purpose.
The general purpose desktop box won't go away completely, but I do think
that it will be less prominent in many people's lives as dedicated
information appliances become more common. People who just want email
and Web access and games can now get it without needing a PC.
I don't see the PS2 as the future of surfing per se, but I think it
represents a major step in the evolution of this kind of appliance.
I freely admit that my crystal ball is very hazy, and I may just be
misinterpreting some random patterns.
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> Before you buy.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:53:57 GMT
On 16 Jun 2000 13:54:16 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <3949cd4b$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Bill Sharrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> >>Please provide me with an example of a current Windows program that
>>> >>does not?
>>> >
>>> > Crystal Reports.
>>>
>>> Never heard of it.
>>>
>>> Some sort of Physic program or something?
>><snip>
>>
>>Crystal Reports is a report generator. From what I know it is rather
>>popular. A lot of clients at work use it and our helpdesk software
>>generates call summaries and what not through Crystal Reports.
>>
>>Some development platforms for Windows come with Crystal Reports to
>>handle printouts, iirc. The program may not be a hot commodity in the
>>home but it is known in the business world.
>
>Yes, it is able to obtain data from a large variety of sources
>and display it in a pretty format, laying in column subtotals
>and other manipulations on the fly. I don't think there is
>an equally handy unix program yet. But, back to the original
>mention of it not adding itself to the Windows program menu,
>mine did.
There is also the likihood that it did but I just can't
find it. After awhile of 'everything' adding itself to
particular repository, things can get easier to lose
track of. Or it's idea of where it should be in relative
terms is different from my idea.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Drestin is not worthy!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:55:20 GMT
On 16 Jun 2000 18:49:48 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 16 Jun 2000 16:05:48 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>> news:8id9i5$iv0$17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, is it normal for OE to crash, when shutting down RealPlayer?
>>>
>>>> When SuckPlayer..er... RealPlayer is involved, nothing is sacred.
>>>
>>>> You're lucky it hasn't destroyed your whole system from the inside
>>>> out.
>>>
>>>When realplayer dies on my linux machine, nothing at *all* happens
>>>to the operating system or any other process.
>
>> Whatabout freeing up any device nodes?
>
>Are you asking whether realplayer dying affects the freeing up of any
>device nodes, or are you asking of freeing up any device nodes has
>an effect on the rest of the system or other processes?
...whether or not realplayer always gets cleaned up
after itself wrt device nodes...
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mingus)
Subject: Re: Linux app spec...
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:12:44 GMT
On 16 Jun 2000 14:30:42 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
wrote:
>>Microsoft has done a similar thing with the Windows logo program.
>>They've added many requirements over the years. Isn't it about time
>>Linux tried to clone it?
>
>No. They are doing fine - just delete the programs you don't like
>instead of letting someone else dictate how they must work.
Exactly. Ignore usability. Ignore the users. Ignore the consumer.
You've proved my point.
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