Linux-Advocacy Digest #133, Volume #27 Fri, 16 Jun 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux is awesome! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Processing data is bad! (WhyteWolf)
Re: Processing data is bad! (WhyteWolf)
Re: Linux is awesome! (Gary Hallock)
Re: Processing data is bad! (Jeff Szarka)
Re: What UNIX is good for.
Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes ("Sam Morris")
Re: Linux is awesome! (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Tim Porter and his claim that linux doesn't run on S/390 (Gary Hallock)
Re: Linux Project at Medfield High School (mike burrell)
Re: Linux....The Cold Hard Truth.... (Adam Smith)
Re: Linux is awesome! (Michael Vester)
Re: Linux....The Cold Hard Truth.... (Michael Vester)
Re: Processing data is bad! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day (Godzilla)
Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Sorry ... but I can't stop laughing at this!! (Was: Boring (WhyteWolf)
Re: How many times, installation != usability. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Number of Linux Users (The Ghost In The Machine)
An Abortion Horror Story (Mr.Right)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:45:54 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:32:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:26:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:02:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:48:57 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 22:44:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>>>>Not at all, it's the attachments and embedded scripts, graphics and
>>>>>other nice things that Linux office suites fail to translate properly.
>>>>
>>>> ...or anything else not msoffice on Windows itself.
>>>>
>>>> Stuck with only ONE SINGLE word processor on Windows, how nice...
>>>
>>>Yea and 90 percent of the world is using it..
>>
>> So? That doesn't mean that THIS END USER want to use it.
>
>
>What YOU want to do is of little importance to 99 percent of the rest
>of the planet earth.
The Microsoft mantra.
...some customers just aren't 'worthy'.
>>>
>>>BTW Lotus Smartsuite does a real nice job of converting Word/Excel
>>>documents.
>>
>> Actually it blows bloody chunks. The failure of Lotus 123
>> to deal with simple Excel files, ones that Applixware could
>> 'almost' deal with, is what originally prompted me to install
>> StarOffice.
>
>
>Applix? you mean the "build it yourself Office suite" that has buried
>the Word count icon 10 levels deep in some convoluted menue.
It's been awhile since I've been in the sort of enviroment
where I would give a damn about how many words a docuement
had (middle school mebbe).
[deletia]
The fact still remains that Applixware can deal with excel
files better than your token alternative Windows application.
Although you never mentioned Quattro Pro, likely because you
are trying your best to avoid casting anything Linux in a good
light.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
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Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: 16 Jun 2000 23:31:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cihl wrote:
>Try the CLI at the highest resolution your monitor can handle. It
>looks really cool.
hum .. I do that .. 143x43{or something like
that I can't remeber off the top of my head} {cheap monitor}
it's alot easyer on the eyes then 80x25
--
-=-=-=-=-
"No job too big; no fee too big!"
-- Dr. Peter Venkman, "Ghost-busters"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: 16 Jun 2000 23:37:35 GMT
In article <8iedd6$ege$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, WhyteWolf wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Cihl wrote:
>>Try the CLI at the highest resolution your monitor can handle. It
>>looks really cool.
>
>hum .. I do that .. 143x43{or something like
>that I can't remeber off the top of my head} {cheap monitor}
>it's alot easyer on the eyes then 80x25
opps almost forgot about things like ctheme
a CLI themer to change the color and look
of the CLI
--
-=-=-=-=-
Life is like bein' on a mule team. Unless you're
the lead mule, all the scenery looks about the same.
-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:54:30 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not at all, it's the attachments and embedded scripts, graphics and
> other nice things that Linux office suites fail to translate properly.
>
> Example, in my company we use a lot of Web based education, usually
> via Lotus Notes but also under Netscape. Forgetting about Notes, Linux
> fall flat on it's face when trying to run these simulations using
> Netscape.
>
> My company has gone so far as to ban all non Windows applications and
> generated memo's and we were a long time OS/2 supporter up until last
> year.
>
> You Linonuts just don't get it. The rest of the world is marching to a
> completely different band and running Linux puts the entire concerto
> out of sync.
>
And why are you forgetting about Notes. I run Notes on Linux and can
view attachments without a problem. I'm afraid you just don't get it.
There is a lot more to the world than MS. Try to suggest running a
simulation of an S/390 machine design on Wiindows where I work. You
will get laughed out of the building.
Gary
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:52:03 -0400
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:13:22 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>and tell you exactly hoe many text files I have. Now can anyone tell me
>how to do that under Windows?
Start - Search (or Find) - Files - *.txt ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: What UNIX is good for.
Date: 16 Jun 2000 19:56:47 -0400
On 16 Jun 2000 13:47:28 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>UNIX is very good at shuffelling text aroumd. LinoNuts call that
>>"powerfull". I call it "pointless".
>You probably have another device with a video tube in your house
>that doesn't have a keyboard for you to enter the text you
>dislike so much. Maybe you should stick to that one instead
>of the computer...
"House"? Don't you mean trailer?
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From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dealing with filesystem volumes
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:51:57 +0100
/me screams and clutches at eyes...
I had no idea it was _this_ bad... I just assumed it would do the
semi-sensible thing and have C, D, E, etc as partitions 1, 2, 3 on
IDE0/Master, then F, G, H as 1, 2, 3 on 0/Slave, and then follow in a
logical manner with 1/Master and 1/Slave. Silly me... :)
I'm not even going to ask about SCSI, Firewire, Zip/Jazz or the other
multitude of storage formats... ;)
--
Sam Morris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
...7/6/00: 3rd installation of Windows since March took 6h30m, and that's
without a working modem...
...you can have my Mac when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: 17 Jun 2000 00:00:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:56:46 -0600, "Matthew McCleary"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
********
[automatic installation of Red Hat 6.2 detects all hardware
perfectly]
>Can't wait till you send your boss a memo he can't read.
My god, Steve/Mike/Simon/Liar, you are *amazingly* stupid!
Linkname: Los Alamos National Laboratory
URL: http://www.lanl.gov/worldview/
Charset: iso-8859-1 (assumed)
Server: Los Alamos Web Server (Unix)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:26:32 GMT
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Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:02:49 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tim Porter and his claim that linux doesn't run on S/390
WhyteWolf wrote:
> alright lets get down to business ..
> lets look at the facts .. I"m currently on a web
> page that states out right that linux needs no
> other OS to work on a s/390 ...
>
> here is a quote
>
> "Linux running on a S/390 is self sufficient and
> does not require services or assistance from other
> S/390 operating systems. However it can coexist
> with other S/390 operating systems running on
> the same processor in separate logical partitions,
> or as guests of VM/ESA"
>
> if you doubt this quote the link is here
> http://www-4.ibm.com/software/is/linux/s390linux.html
>
> --
> -=-=-=-=-
> Whether you can hear it or not
> The Universe is laughing behind your back
> -- National Lampoon, "Deteriorata"
> -=-=-=-=-
Yep. Now I challenge Mr Palmer to respond. What's that, Tim? I can't
here you.
Gary
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From: mike burrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Project at Medfield High School
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:10:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.help Nathan Woodhull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am a student at Medfield High School who is working on a project to
> replace a room of 24 typewriters with X-terminals running Linux. Hopefully
> we plan to have the system up and running by next Christmas, but the issue
> of funding will be a problem. Do any of you know of any companies or
> organizations that would be willing to fund such a project?
> We will need about $10,000 to complete the project
i couldn't say for sure. i see that most (nearly all?) of your money is
going to the application servers. you might try hitting up some of the
big hardware companies (dell, gateway, patriot, maybe even va linux,
penguin, etc.) or local shops to see what kind of educational discount
they're willing to give you. i know that patriot computers (if you're in
canada) are especially cheap to schools, but their computers suck ass (last
time i checked), so you might want to avoid that.
beyond discounts, though, i can't think of too many ways to get funding off
the top of my head. you could try to offer your students as slave labour
("give us $2000 and we'll take your new computers and get our classes/clubs
to do accounting, graphic arts, programming, etc. work for you for free),
which is always fun, since students love work experience.
really, though, do high schools do anything *but* raise funds? :) it seems
that schools are constantly doing a bake sale or a fashion show or
something. high school students are probably the most imaginative people on
earth when it comes to fund raising, so maybe you should be asking them.
> Here is a PDF file with a more detailed version of our plan. It is a bit
> outdated and grammatically incorrect, but it gets the point across.
> http://medfield.net/xterm.pdf
btw i liked you calling C a "modern" language :D
oh one more thing. i only skimmed through the document (hey, it's pretty
long): what are you planning to do with those old macs that you're
replacing. there's a mi/x x server for macs which could very well run (it
might be ppc-only though; i'm too lazy to check). if you can find a decent
mac x server, though, it would be worth-while keeping them around to save
you refurbishing costs in the future (when you presumably expand your
operation).
also, universities love to sell things like hp/300s for really cheap. the
hp300 linux port is pretty weak, but running netbsd on them would be great
(especially considering they were designed to run netbsd). most of the
hp300s i've seen have 1024x768 fixed-freq monitors (many are B&W, but there
are quite a few that are colour), and they were actually *designed* to be
simple X boxen (e.g. they don't come with hard drives or floppy drives or
any of the nonsense, and they come with really cool-looking mice). sure,
they're what, 10? 15 years old? but they do the job all right.
personally i think a heterogenous environment would be great in a school
lab, especially with a common denominator like X that would give each
machine access to exactly the same apps.
okay i'll leave you alone now. good luck.
--
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From: Adam Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux....The Cold Hard Truth....
Date: 17 Jun 2000 00:13:59 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It turned out to be a real eye opener to me after compiling the
> data, which the pollster contracted us to perform.
> Question #1. Do you intend to try Linux in the next year? 78
> percent said yes.
> Question #2. Have you tried Linux in the past year? 97 percent said
> yes.
> Question #3 If you HAVE tried Linux in the past year, have you
> continued to use it? 99 percent said no.
> Question #4 If you said no to question 3 what is the reason? (This
> was a write in)
> 72 percent said "Linux Sucks"
> 12 percent said "there are no useful applications"
> 9 percent said I like Windows.
> 4 percent said I just don't like it.
> 1 percent said I like it and will continue using it.
Let's do some analysis, shall we?
97% of the attendees have tried Linux in the past year, and 99% of
those have not continued to use it. Hence, 96% of your sample have
tried and abandoned Linux in the past year.
And yet, 78% of respondents intend to try Linux in the coming year.
Hence, a minimum of 74% of the respondents to your poll have tried and
discarded Linux in the past year, but nevertheless intend to try again
this year. Sounds like an intelligent bunch of people to me. By the
way, a majority of these learning-impaired folks also think Linux
sucks, but nonetheless intend to try again before next summer.
Is this really the best data you can make up?
--
Adam Smith
Boston University
Department of Aerospace and Mechanical Engineering
"In theory there's no difference between theory and practice, but in
practice there is."
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:17:04 -0700
Much the same experience with all my installs. Haven't even
opened a how-to-install manual.
Matthew McCleary wrote:
>
> I just thought I'd share my latest experience with GNU/Linux, namely Red Hat
> 6.2.
>
> Last night I upgraded my machine with an Abit BP6 motherboard, second
> Celeron-500 processor (I have two now with the same stepping, amazingly),
> and a SoundBlaster AudioPCI 128 card.
>
> I decided to do a fresh install of Red Hat 6.2 since I didn't really have
> anything that mattered on the machine anyway (I don't run Windows).
>
> After booting off the CD-ROM (slick) and partitioning my hard disk, Red Hat
> took about 20 minutes to install. After *one* reboot I discovered that the
> installer had detected I was running on an SMP machine and installed the
> 2.2.14-smp kernel automatically. Red Hat detected and started using both
> CPU's immediately upon bootup. No recompile required.
>
> It also detected my sound card on boot, configured it, and it works out of
> the box. No drivers required.
>
> I have installed Windows 98 and Windows 2000 on several occasions, and never
> have I had *every* component in the system work perfectly, out of the box,
> using only drivers supplied with the OS. Although my motherboard, video card
> and sound card all came with driver CD's, I never needed to put any of them
> in the drive. None of that "insert Windows 98 SE disc ... insert video
> driver disc ... insert Windows 98 disc again ... insert video driver disc
> again..." stuff. To my way of thinking, this signals that GNU/Linux finally
> has Microsoft beat.
>
> From now on I am running GNU/Linux and only GNU/Linux. I'm never looking
> back.
>
> Matthew McCleary
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux....The Cold Hard Truth....
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:20:58 -0700
Show us the survey form and the raw results.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> My firm sponsors retail space for computer shows around NYC and the surrounding
> areas including CT and NJ. We were commissioned by a local computer club to
> attach a survey form to the tickets that the attendees received. These shows
> attract a variety of different socio-economic types but in general I would say
> there are more computer geek types present. After all we did originate as a
> Ham-Fest type swap meet show.
>
> Our latest flyer (which gives $2.00 off the price of admission for a filled out
> questionnaire) was about Linux, a pet project of mine.
>
> It turned out to be a real eye opener to me after compiling the data, which the
> pollster contracted us to perform.
>
> Question #1. Do you intend to try Linux in the next year? 78 percent said yes.
>
> Question #2. Have you tried Linux in the past year? 97 percent said yes.
>
> Question #3 If you HAVE tried Linux in the past year, have you continued to use
> it? 99 percent said no.
>
> Question #4 If you said no to question 3 what is the reason? (This was a write
> in)
>
> 72 percent said "Linux Sucks"
> 12 percent said "there are no useful applications"
> 9 percent said I like Windows.
> 4 percent said I just don't like it.
> 1 percent said I like it and will continue using it.
>
> This is the result of 26 shows and 100's of thousands of forms..
>
> I think the results speak for themselves....
>
> Sponge
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Processing data is bad!
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:25:09 GMT
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:52:03 -0400, Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 17:13:22 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>and tell you exactly hoe many text files I have. Now can anyone tell me
>>how to do that under Windows?
>
>Start - Search (or Find) - Files - *.txt ?
Nope, that will just tell you how many files you have
that end it .txt.
--
If you know what you want done, it is quite often more useful to
tell the machine what you want it to do rather than merely having
the machine tell you what you are allowed to do.
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Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:25:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Fri, 16 Jun 2000 15:45:08 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 02:43:51 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>wrote on 15 Jun 2000 17:49:50 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>[snip for brevity]
>>
>>>The funny thing about you UNIX people is that you alwais say that UNIX
>>>is "easy" and then you come back and say you half to type some
>>>cryptic-as-hell command to do something simpal.
>>
>>Unix is not easy. Unix is in fact quite difficult.
>
> The simple is harder, however the complicated is at least possible.
Very true; Unix also likes to combine many small tools in various
well-defined ways. The tricky part is to know all the small tools. :-)
[.sigsnip]
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From: Godzilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,talk.bizarre
Subject: Re: Why We Should Be Nice To Windows Users -was- Neologism of the day
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:28:09 -0500
Jim wrote:
> > > KUI keyboard
> > > CLI command line
> > > GUI graphics
> > > EUI eyeball
> > > VUI verbal
> > > NUI neural
> > > HUI handshake (literally, for wearable computer )
> > >
> > > Perhaps some of these could be "pure" interfaces (HUI, NUI?). Most of
> > > them would wind up being combined with others in a functional system.
> > >
> >
> > You forgot a few:
> >
> > FUI Forehead user interface, for when you bang your head on the computer.
> > (Windows95 is an FUI).
> >
> > AUI Anal user interface, for systems which come up behind you in
> > (un)expected ways (Win3.x is an AUI).
> >
> > PUI (I leave that one to your imagination.)
>
> LOL! Now that's what you _could_ call "stimulated thought!
>
> --
> Jim Naylor
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
When I was abducted by aliens, they attached a CPUI to my anus. I found the
Cattle Prod User Interface rather lacking of even the barest of anemities.
Julian
--
http://www.comm.csl.uiuc.edu/~waldby/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: So where ARE all of these supposed Linux users?
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:27:20 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> The Linvocates have been spouting for sometime the "huge" number of
>> people leaving Windows and downloading/buying (shudder!) Linux
>> instead.
>>
>> So where are all of these folks?
>>
>> Last count it was .3 percent of the market. WebTV did better. Win2k
>> did better. Virtually everyone did better than this great "savior of
>> operating systems".
>>
>> Why is this?
>>
>
> This is just one survey. Linux is doing very well in the
> server marketplace.
>
>> The figures speak for themselves and again I ask "Where are all of
>> these users?"
>>
>> I know many people who have TRIED Linux, I don't know of ONE who has
>> STAYED with Linux. Not a single soul.
>
> I am one, so you now know a single soul. I am a real person
> with a real name. Unlike most Windows advocates, I can use my
> name because I am not ashamed using Linux.
>
> All my computers run Linux now. One machine is a dual boot
> just in case. But it has not booted Windows in months. Looking
> forward to XFree86 4.0, KDE 2.0 and 2.4.
Why don't we all email the guy, assuming his address works, and let him know. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:38:34 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on 16 Jun 2000 14:21:13 -0500 <8idun9$e9u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Consider the plight of the poor support person. Under Unix,
>>for example, one could in theory talk through a problem,
>>spelling it out if necessary:
>>
>>Customer Support: "Now then, you're missing the file tcpdump?"
>>
>>Befuddled One: "Yes. How do I find it?"
>
>How would this scenario be different if the file in question
>were comctl32.dll, or odbctl32.dll or some particular flavor
>of direct X that another program didn't like?
The point was to show that CLIs were more powerful than GUIs
in at least one realm, namely, that of customer support.
But you're right, if a DLL is missing, that's a piece of functionality
that needs to be fetched from somewhere. In that respect, it's
not that much different from an EXE, and, from what I've seen of
VC++ 6, Microsoft seems to like to at least display the illusion
that the two are more or less synonymous.
And, in a sense, they are. In fact, I'm given to understand -- I
could be wrong -- that a Linux shared library can actually be run as an
executable, but the results aren't horribly interesting; the shared
loader gains control and immediately exits.
(Trying it on /lib/libm-2.1.3.so returns the rather interesting and
cryptic message
bash$ /lib/libm-2.1.3.so
Aborted
bash$ echo $?
134
bash$
which doesn't tell me a lot, admittedly; note that 134 = 128 + 6,
which means abort() was in fact called: 6 = SIGIOT, and I think
128 means the program died because of an uncaught signal
('man 2 wait', and /usr/include/sys/wait.h).)
I don't know if this is the case under Windows, but, like I said,
VC++ 6, at least in the silly little wizard that sets up things,
doesn't make much of a distinction when creating MFC apps.
(Unless one looks at the link lines, perhaps.)
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (WhyteWolf)
Subject: Re: Sorry ... but I can't stop laughing at this!! (Was: Boring
Date: 17 Jun 2000 00:26:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, pac4854 wrote:
>OK. I checked out the first one that came to mind, Amazon.com.
>They run Apache on Compaq Tru64 UNIX. OK, so next I tried Walden
>Books; they run Domino on AIX. And so does Borders. Wordsworth
>runs Apache on Linux. I give up; was there a specific bookseller
>you wanted me to check?
i think he means barns&noble sence they are the only book
store I"ve seen online that runs anything but a UNIX of
some sort ... unless he means White-wolf .. a RPG game
maker ... but they run Mac as there server OS
>
>Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
>Up to 100 minutes free!
>http://www.keen.com
>
--
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To teach is to learn twice.
-- Joseph Joubert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: How many times, installation != usability.
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:44:24 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:25:29 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
(referring to SBLive)
>Check their webpage.
>
>
>Suffice to say you are getting 1/4 of the cards true power running
>Linux.....
Yeah, you're right, Linux sucks rocks because it can't handle an SBLive
sound card, everyone should go and buy a copy of Win2K immediately
instead and make Bill Gates even more rich than he already is.
Spot The Flaw.
[snip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:46:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Fri, 16 Jun 2000 21:42:03 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>
>Personally, I think embedded Linux is a great idea. It is low cost,
>low overhead runs on cheap hardware, and if the UI is kept away from
>the user, it will work out fine.
>
>Sounds like a match made in heaven to me.
Why not WinCE?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Number of Linux Users
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:51:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote on Fri, 16 Jun 2000 16:42:17 GMT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I can make Linux self-destruct very effectively!
>
>1) Make an adapter-card with a relay on it;
>2) Stick a big chunk of plastic explosives on the card;
>3) Write a driver to trigger the relay when you want it to;
>4) Self-destruct Linux!
At least it'll self-destruct reliably. :-) I'm not sure Windows
would be quite as reliable in the triggering of the relay.... :-)
The Blue Screen Of .... um .... Non-Death. :-)
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From: Mr.Right <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.hardware.overclocking,alt.comp.hardware.overclocking.amd,alt.intel,free.uk.guns,alt.night-club.review.uk,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux,alt.linux.os,alt.startrek,alt.uk.teens.london,at.troll,alt.trentworthington.sucks
Subject: An Abortion Horror Story
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:52:43 -0400
An Abortion Horror Story
It's was the morning June 5th, 1984. I was working at the Yarbury
Clinic. This young lady walked in and asked about our services. I
explained to her what we do here. She said, okay, and that it was her
boyfriend that was making her do this. I told to just fill out these
forms and we can get started. After the forms were filled out, we
preceded. About halfway through the procedure, this ugly, short, bald
man walked into the room and said, "sweet, jesus, Martha, what are you
doing here?"
The woman replied, "But you told me to get an abortion"
The man said, "No, no, no, I said, go to the auction..."
"oh," the woman replied.
Then the man looked at me and asked, "is it too late,"
Seeing that this guy was a retard, I said, "no, it's not too late,
here take it it's yours..".
The man look upwards and said, "Trent, I'll call the little bugger
Trent Worthington."
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