Linux-Advocacy Digest #133, Volume #35 Mon, 11 Jun 01 13:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: SourceForge hacked! (Tim Smith)
Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags ("Jon Johansan")
Re: More micro$oft "customer service" (stanleychmok)
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? (Michael Vester)
Re: UI Importance ("Jon Johansan")
Re: UI Importance ("Jon Johansan")
Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups ("ipslo")
Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups ("ipslo")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: More funny stuff. ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Laugh, it's hilarious. (Michael Vester)
Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: More funny stuff. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: So what software is the NYSE running ? ("Chad Myers")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: SourceForge hacked!
Date: 11 Jun 2001 08:52:59 -0700
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 00:15:59 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Who said I had a qwerty keyboard?
>>
>>You implied it.
>
>When?
When you said "the" keyboard. Like it or not, QWERTY is the only
keyboard layout that has a significant user base, and so is the only one
that qualifies as "the" keyboard.
--Tim Smith
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsft IE6 smart tags
Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:10:02 -0500
"Norman D. Megill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OR4V6.812$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9g2bl8$eq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Encarta, If I remember correctly, is Funk and Wagnels Encyclopedia,
thrown
> >onto CD by Microsoft.
>
> With content added, deleted, and modified per Microsoft's marketing
> agenda.
Untrue - prove your claim!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (stanleychmok)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: More micro$oft "customer service"
Date: 11 Jun 2001 09:12:27 -0700
Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> More micro$oft "customer service":
>
> http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
Please note: this 'technology' can be applied to any program
displays text by a separate program.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 02:49:41 -0700
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ, unfortunately, runs
> > > > on Windows.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > >
> > > NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> > > trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just isn't
> > > capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
> >
> > About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they were
> > moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or if
> > it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about it
> > if it went south.
> >
> > -c
> >
> > >
> > > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:84aU6.9834$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3%9U6.1335$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > In article <3b212110$0$94312$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers
> > > > > says...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED] dripot> wrote in message
> > > > > > >news:CP8U6.1221$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > >> What's the skinny ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >What software are they running for what?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haven't heard about the fiasco today ?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm talking about what they use for managing trades.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, their web site runs under AIX, so one would assume that they're
> > > > > probably a big IBM shop, and are probably running trades under AIX and/or
> > > > > OS/390.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Vester
> > > A credible Linux advocate
> > >
> > > "The avalanche has started, it is
> > > too late for the pebbles to vote"
> > > Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
>
> Highly unlikely that any stock exchange is using micros or microsoft
> products to run the core of operations. These are done with
> mainframes... goto comp.os.vm or comp.os.vms and ask the question.
>
> --
> V
Exactly. There are many applications out there that can't be run on a
microcomputer platform. Our local municipal government still runs a
Unisys system for tax assessment. IBM tried for 10 years to move it over
to an IBM mainframe platform. They failed. Now they are trying to move it
to a losedos/Oracle platform. I don't think they will be any more
successful.
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:20:02 -0500
"Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > If you drag files from your hard drive to the flopppy (just using the
left
> > button) then they will ALWAYS be copied. The ONLY way to make them show
up
> > as shortcuts is to hold the Alt key while copying with the left or using
the
> > right and then selecting create shortcut. It can't happy by a simple
drag
> > and drop.
> >
>
> NOPE! I have many examples, using just normal drag without any buttons -
> and it still screws up. The main problem is that it doesn't do it all
> the time, which make it difficult to figure out:
>
> a) am I doing something wrong, OR
> b) is the OS doing something wrong
1) you are doing something wrong OR
2) you are making this shit up
>
>
> > Then again, how can you fault the OS when the user makes a mistake? I
mean,
> > if I use the CLI and mistype something and accidently delete these files
> > instead of those files cause I put a * where a ? should have been - is
that
> > the OS's fault or the users? I think we know the answer.
>
> That can also happen in a GUI - especially new users not yet that
> comfortable using the mouse. Last week a lady called my because she
> accidebtly moved the Program Files folder. A smart system should not
> have allowed her that in the first place...
And what "smart" system will prevent her from typing rm * ?
>
> Secondly, by using aliases, I have created a "safe" way of deleting
> files (with the rm command in Linux). It now moves files to a trash
> directory, from where all files older then 3 months gets permenantly
> deleted, using a cron job.
fortunately Windows has an even better system than that. "Deleted" files are
moved to a recyler directory where files are only deleted on a
as-space-is-needed basis (you control how much).
<snip> >
> > Untrue. I've used (and still have a copy of) Windows 1.01 and have used
it
> > since the 80s
>
> Win 1,2 and 3x were 16bit systems running on DOS. You could not have
> copied something to or from the hard drive and still carry on work as if
> nothing is happening. That is the actual argument, not if you used other
> systems...
I have used Windows 3.11 recently at an old client of mine's place - she is
finally upgrading to W2K. I was copying files during this upgrade. I was
able to start a VERY large copy and while it was running I did a few other
things as well as moved a few more files and directories. NO problem
there...
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From: "Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: 11 Jun 2001 11:23:03 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9ftp5l$7fq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > for i in *.zip; do mv $i $(echo $i|sed 's/\(.*\)\.zip/\1.blah/');done
>
>
> > There will now follow a big flame thread about how I'm an idiot and the
> > above command is completely wrong and will destroy the world.
>
> Indedd, this is a religous issue.
>
> The one TRUE way is as follows:
>
> ls *.zip | sed -e's/\(.*\).zip/mv & \1.blah' | sh
wait - stop - so this is something users are expected to do to rename files?
And someone somewhere still thinks the unix shell is "a good thing" ?
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From: "ipslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:26:00 GMT
My configuration is the default configuration for Mandrake 7.2, 8.0. If
I'm not connected to the internet everything is fine. When I'm connected
to the internet gnome goes to the internet for DNS everytime i open an
app. Having the IP in the host doesn't prevent it. I know
because my firewall logs everything. The major problem arises if the
internet goes down like roadrunner does alot. Gnome becomes completely
unable to open apps. I have to reboot without the internet to get it
running again.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mart van de
Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yep. The process is called gnome-name-server. You can see it advertises
> CORBA services whenever you start up a Gnome app. Check your syslog for
> details.
> However, his system is still misconfigured, as my system doesn't seem to
> do DNS lookups over the internet. My guess is that it indeed has to do
> with a possibly misconfigured /etc/hosts or /etc/resolv.conf
>
> Mart
>
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From: "ipslo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Silly Gnome DNS lookups
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:27:15 GMT
I have the default configuration for Mandrake 7.2, 8.0 using DHCP with
roadrunner cable internet.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Matthias Warkus"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't if your system is configured the right way, my friend.
>
> mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 16:32:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
<don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:51:39 +0200
<9fuggv$84o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:LTyU6.72926$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:9ftqlt$7ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:jYrU6.72274$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > > A *lot* of the problems and general weirdness
>> > > of MFC are due to issues of this sort.
>> >
>> > That doesn't excuse the CSocket nightmare, though.
>>
>> I've never used CSocket. Should I be
>> happy about this? What's wrong with it?
>
>It's built on CAsynchSocket!
>You don't build a synchronoussocket on asynchronous one!
>You build a new one!
>
>And it's *easy* to do so.
>Pick any book about WinSock, even books that dedicade only few chapters for
>it has their own class libraries for it.
>
>And what they did with CCESocket is a crime against CS as a whole!
>
>http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/programming/winsock/articles/csocket.html
>
>
Personally, I use raw WSA. Apart from the initialization -- which
is mostly ensuring that Winsock is the right version after calling
WSAStartup -- and some minor bodgeups such as ::send() instead of
::write(), ::recv() instead of ::read(), and ::closesocket() instead
of ::close(), which might affect some general code but which can
be worked around in my case, it's not too different from Unix/Linux.
I'm not too happy about ::closesocket() on general principles though;
suppose a module had to close an unknown file descriptor which could
either be a pipe, a Unix socket, or an Internet socket? Also,
it's not clear that it can be passed to ::fdopen() or [io]fstream.
Sigh.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 42d:20h:22m actually running Linux.
[ ] Check here to always compile your own software.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:31:13 +0200
"Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9g2k9u$t05$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://rinkworks.com/stupid/
> Is this it?
>
> On first glance, this doesn't seem as funny, but I'll take a deeper look.
I take it back! I take it back!
"We maintain a 24 hour, 800 number call desk for our maintenance contract
customers, a very expensive undertaking. Non-contract customers can call as
well, but our per-call maintenance charge is $250/hour, with a minimum of
three hours. If you only call us occasionally, it's a lot cheaper than a
contract, but it's clearly designed to discourage trivial calls.
In 1996 a per-call customer called. "What does MSDOS stand for?" she asked.
We told her. Her firm paid the $750 bill without demur. "
I mean, I *encountered* this behaviour before.
But *this* is rich, *really* rich.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:28:42 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [1] Tamed the West -- an internal matter, to be sure, but quite
> an accomplishment given the primitive technology at the time.
Not impressive, people had done more with less beforehand.
> [4] First man on the moon.
And nothing significant ever since.
The whole race to the moon was the biggest, stupidest, most wasteful PR
campain that has ever taken place in human history.
A lot of good things came out of it, but to do it for freaking *PR*?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:31:40 +0200
"Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > A language which is decended from a language that he co-authored.
> > A large precentage of Windows is written in either C++ or objective C, I
> > understand.
>
> Actually, Window Maker is written in Objective C as well. I'd say that
> the UI components of 9X are written in whatever NT 4.0's is written in,
> which would probably be Objective C, C++, COM, or a mixture of these. I
> know Erik Funkensbusch could answer this easily.
COM is not a language, it's a framework, probably. There is a correct
techincal term for this which I don't know.
As a note, most of Windows is done via COM, and a lot of programs, as well.
Speculating here:
Can you make a Word file reader/writer via the COM component?
I think that this is possible, the licensing might be a problem, though.
Can you do it with WordViewer?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:46:15 +0200
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Ayende Rahien
> <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 10 Jun 2001 03:51:39 +0200
> <9fuggv$84o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >"Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:LTyU6.72926$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >> "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:9ftqlt$7ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:jYrU6.72274$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> > > A *lot* of the problems and general weirdness
> >> > > of MFC are due to issues of this sort.
> >> >
> >> > That doesn't excuse the CSocket nightmare, though.
> >>
> >> I've never used CSocket. Should I be
> >> happy about this? What's wrong with it?
> >
> >It's built on CAsynchSocket!
> >You don't build a synchronoussocket on asynchronous one!
> >You build a new one!
> >
> >And it's *easy* to do so.
> >Pick any book about WinSock, even books that dedicade only few chapters
for
> >it has their own class libraries for it.
> >
> >And what they did with CCESocket is a crime against CS as a whole!
> >
>
>http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/programming/winsock/articles/csocket.html
> >
> >
>
> Personally, I use raw WSA. Apart from the initialization -- which
> is mostly ensuring that Winsock is the right version after calling
> WSAStartup -- and some minor bodgeups such as ::send() instead of
> ::write(), ::recv() instead of ::read(), and ::closesocket() instead
> of ::close(), which might affect some general code but which can
> be worked around in my case, it's not too different from Unix/Linux.
I agree, raw sockets are much better.
I always intend to write a wrapper class, but never gets to it.
> I'm not too happy about ::closesocket() on general principles though;
> suppose a module had to close an unknown file descriptor which could
> either be a pipe, a Unix socket, or an Internet socket? Also,
> it's not clear that it can be passed to ::fdopen() or [io]fstream.
I think that you could do it in NT, but not on 9x.
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From: Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Laugh, it's hilarious.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:22:20 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Michael Vester in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 10 Jun 2001
> >"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >>
> >> Said Michael Vester in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 08 Jun 2001
> >> >"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> Typical LoseDOS lusers.
> >> >>
> >> >During my past life as tech support, I responded to calls like "My
> >> >computer won't work!!!" Upon arrival, I turn on the monitor. Or sometimes
> >> >the box itself needs to be turned on. The "typical" user appears unable
> >> >to learn anything. I have discovered a pretty good test for the "special
> >> >needs" user.
> >> >
> >> >Many years ago, I taught computer classes all about dos. Windows was not
> >> >on the horizon then. The biggest hurdle hurdle was the directories. Md,
> >> >cd and rd were the hardest concepts. I tried analogies like file folders
> >> >in a filing cabinet. I even brought paper files, file folders and a
> >> >cabinet to demonstrate what the computer was doing. Still, despite my
> >> >most valiant attempts, half the class could not understand. The other
> >> >half were angry because the class was being held up.
> >>
> >> Apparently, it is your skill as an instructor that is lacking. The use
> >> of physical analogs were a good idea; I can only presume you executed
> >> the lesson poorly. I've never had a single person fail to grasp
> >> directories when I have explained it to them this way.
> >
> >Perhaps I am a lousy instructor. But I had many successes too. Some of my
> >students, (most were adults older than me) would understand after the
> >first example. They could understand why this was necessary to organize
> >data. Other students simple could not understand. I tried many different
> >physical analogs.
>
> Well, the old "box, file folders, and pieces of paper" is all that
> should ever be necessary, for obvious reasons. It is the explanations
> that is the tough part, because it is the context brought by the
> student, not the instructor, that determines whether it makes sense.
>
> [...]
> >> Apparently, then, you have no ability to improve that technical
> >> competence.
> >>
> >Not for the lack of trying. I was patient, I would often spend time
> >helping them organize their files better. Some would learn and some would
> >not.
>
> Sorry. I was trying to be sarcastic, and it came out insulting. My
> bad.
>
> >> >When I
> >> >see 500 data files in the root, I know that I am dealing with a "special
> >> >needs" user. If I see data files neatly organized in a well thought out
> >> >hierarchy, I know this user is comfortable with the technology and when
> >> >they request tech support, it will be a real problem. They won't call tech
> >> >support to turn on their computer.
> >>
> >> Which 'non-special needs' users are the ones born with the knowledge of
> >> how to create a file directory hierarchy genetically imprinted into
> >> their brains?
> >>
> >How about just smart enough to get it.
>
> That's kind of begging the question, is my point. I have this knee-jerk
> reaction when people insults students, like it's *their* fault. I
> honestly have the opinion that there is none of this 'genetically
> stupid' stuff that people use as an excuse why they can't explain things
> very well.
>
> I would draw the line at those who would learn anyway, without any help
> from you, just from reading, and those who actually need an explanation
> to understand what they read.
>
> >> You seem to be saying that as long as they already knew what you were
> >> supposed to be teaching them, they were 'smart enough to learn', while
> >> if they didn't already know what you were trying to teach them, they had
> >> "special needs" and were incapable of learning. Doesn't that seem a bit
> >> strange to you?
> >>
> >As an instructor and doing tech support, I had many users with a huge
> >variety of skills. From the PHB that would take 10 minutes to hunt and
> >peck a 5 letter login id (and get it wrong) to engineers that built
> >thermodynamic simulations in Excel. The concept of directories is a
> >barrier to some users. My days of teaching dos are long gone, so if I am
> >a crummy instructor, nobody has to suffer anymore.
>
> Well, in terms of tech support, rather than instruction (they are
> actually vastly separate, or should be, as they have different, even
> opposite, goals and measures of success) I know what you saying. There
> are users, lusers, and rock-dumb-stupid lusers. But that's mostly
> because most of them haven't even once had anything explained to them in
> a way they can understand. That isn't their fault, but it isn't a
> matter of blame.
>
> Metaphorically, at least, I blame Microsoft. But it isn't like it won't
> always be the way of things that some users will be clueless. It is
> just that the prevalence of *persistent* ignorance is increased by One
> Microsoft Way.
>
I agree. It is even worst with the MSCE. A MSCE is basically reduced to a
reinstaller.
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
--
Michael Vester
A credible Linux advocate
"The avalanche has started, it is
too late for the pebbles to vote"
Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What language are use to program Linux stuff?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:54:41 +0100
> C is certainly not easier, C is one of the hardest languages in
> existance. It's popular, I'll give you that, but it's not easy.
> Pointers is a hard cocept to grasp, manual memory management, no array
> boundy checking, no *real* arrays, no strings. All of those make C to a
> hard language.
The arrays are definitely real. The lack of bounds checking can be a
right royal PITA though, however it does make the langauge very fast.
It is also very flexible.
A firend of mine recently did a numerical project in C. She was required
to use a prewritten ODE solver that took in a 1D array. Whth a bit of
cunning manipulation with pointers, the array could be passed to the
solver as a 1D array, but used every else as a 2D array.
I am biased, though. I liek C and I like the way it works, I also like
assembler quite a lot too. I'm no mortally against HLL's though.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More funny stuff.
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:57:35 +0100
In article <9g2k9u$t05$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
<don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:9g2hce$1ga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <9fvdtv$2pt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
>> <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/6174/com_lite.htm
>> >
>> > Just to note, I did 8 myself. The keyboard is just as good as ever.
>> > But
>> > *damn* was it dirty.
>> >
>> > 6 & 9 & 11 are even more hilarious than the rest.
>>
>>
>> Might I reccomend the "Computer stupidities" page. It has many more
>> liek this. I can't remember the link, but I think google picks up on it
>> pretty easily.
>
> http://rinkworks.com/stupid/ Is this it?
>
> On first glance, this doesn't seem as funny, but I'll take a deeper
> look.
Yeah, that's the one. There's a lot more stuff, and not all of it as
funny, but it has everything in that list and a lot more. Some of it had
me in stitches, some didn't. YMMV.
-Ed
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(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which OS is better to learn for an entry level job?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 19:01:38 +0100
In article <vdAU6.44783$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Steven"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which OS should you focus on learning to get an entry level tech or
> programming job? Linux or Windows?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
Both. You could also try Solaris x86 and various BSDs. they are all free
or avaliable cheaply if you don't have broadabnd access.
-Ed
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: So what software is the NYSE running ?
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 12:04:30 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >
> > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not too sure about the NYSE, but I think the NASDAQ,
> > unfortunately, runs
> > > > > > > on Windows.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Matthew Gardiner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > NASDAQ's web server is Windows. The computer that actually does the
> > > > > > trading is a big Unisys mainframe. Microcomputer architecture just
isn't
> > > > > > capable. It's not a Windows verses Linux issue.
> > > > >
> > > > > About a year ago it was still Unisys. Last year they announced they
were
> > > > > moving to Win2K Datacenter. I'm not sure if they actually did it, or
if
> > > > > it's complete yet or not, but I would imagine we would've heard about
it
> > > > > if it went south.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Only the front end is running WinDog, the back end is not according to a
> > > > Information Week article.
> > >
> > > It is Unisys
> > > http://www.nasdaq.com/reference/sn_indices_temp_disrupt_000218.stm
> > > With 300,000 terminals involved in trading, how could it be losedos?
> > > NASDAQ requires much more than what a toy operating system like losedos
> > > can provide.
> >
> > Well, I don't know about your "losedos", but Unisys seems to be
> > convinced that Win2K Datacenter is where their company needs to be.
> > http://www.gartner.com/webletter/microsoft/article4/article4.html
> >
> > Abbey National decided to give their old mainframes the boot:
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/abbey.asp
> >
> > Financial services? Unix won't cut it here.
> >
http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/datacenter/evaluation/casestudies/ragnarok.
> > asp
> >
>
> I highly doubt that... as UNIX and Apache are primarily the predominant
> O/S and webserver software out there.
Not in business, which is what we're talking about. NT/2K/IIS and
Solaris/IPlanet
are the predominant OS/Web server software. Apache holds <20% share in the
Global 1000 market.
> You need big iron for heavy volume trading.
> So far that is all that is running,... BIG IRON.
ES7000.
-c
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