Linux-Advocacy Digest #337, Volume #27 Sun, 25 Jun 00 20:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (David M. Cook)
Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux (Jeff
Szarka)
Installing Windows 98 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Do not like Windows but ... (David M. Cook)
Re: Yes, commercial OS are supported (David M. Cook)
Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity (glen vajcner)
Re: Do not like Windows but ...
Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Ian Westcott)
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Ian Westcott)
Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity (David M. Cook)
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management
Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Astroturf Ad From "Trustix" -was- Linux is easier now ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness (Gary Hallock)
Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Installing Windows 98 ("Ferdinand V. Mendoza")
Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Re: Yes, commercial OS are supported ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: 25 Jun 2000 22:12:41 GMT
On 25 Jun 2000 15:41:44 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD.... [and more in that vein.]
Your attempt to make windows advocates look like idiots is both unnecessary
and tiresome.
Dave Cook
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From: Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Jeff Szarka Has Zero Credibility When He Claims Problems With Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:14:12 -0400
On 25 Jun 2000 04:07:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
wrote:
>>What's your point? I was off by 6 months. I used Redhat 5.2 when it
>>was the newest Redhat out there.
>
>OK, I admit, I'm being gratuitously argumentative (-;
Well this is COLA after all...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Installing Windows 98
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:21:42 GMT
I got this message installing Windows 98
http://www.geocities.com/bernard_blundell/pictures/dependability.jpg
Well, it made /me/ laugh.
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Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: 25 Jun 2000 22:38:21 GMT
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:01:08 GMT, Pedro Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You seem to like all these windows apps so why don't you like windows?
> winamp is better than xmms or whatever on Linux
Assuming that is true, I just need something that plays mp3s (mpg123!),
which are a low-fi format that sounds OK on lil computer speakers. I hardly
see the need for a lot of nuances in an mp3 player.
> word is better than startoffice or whatever on Linux (wordperfect,
>abiword, ...)
How so? Because it has features 99% of users don't use?
Most people could get by with just a text editor! Do I really need the cute
gif and a pretty border I get every time someone sends me a 5 line memo from
word?
> multimedia and games are better than on Linux
Not an interest of mine so I'll pass.
> photoshop is better than GIMP (besides at Windows there are a lot of good
>ones)
GIMP is probably going to be adequate for all but professionals. And even
some professionals use GIMP.
> mame goes better (DOS or Windows) than Linux one
See games above. I think you kids should play outside more.
> explorer is better than netscape
I'll buy that. So lets see a Linux port.
> eudora is better than whichever Linux program
> outlook express is better than whatever Linux news reader
Do people actually like outlook as a news reader?
Look, for a news reader I just want something that lets me read and post
news easily and efficiently and with reasonable scoring abilities. slrn
excels here.
> development tools are much more better under Windows
I rather doubt you are familiar with Linux development tools.
The unix development philosophy is to use pre-existing tools as much as
possible. Windows doesn't come with any tools.
> what does remain ?
A whole world beyond the needs of your rumpus room.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Yes, commercial OS are supported
Date: 25 Jun 2000 22:44:07 GMT
On 25 Jun 2000 01:19:19 -0700, Sam E. Trenholme
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>One of the old arguments against Linux was that it did not have commercial
>support. This argument was usually retorted with the "Have you ever tried
>getting support from Micrsoft?" statement.
Just curious, but what commercial Linux support organizations have you
evaluated? In particular, what support packages did you evaluate?
Dave
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From: glen vajcner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:52:26 GMT
> General stupidity do not exist. Each person self stupidity is only
> because
> of each own. Do not make strange theories. Stupids did exist before
> Microsoft
> and of course they'll exist after it.
>
Very true. After some enlightening discussions with other people and some
re-consideration of my topic, I have changed the viewpoint somewhat,
hedging away from "general stupidity" (a poor choice of words, in the first
place). Thank you for pointing this out.
>
> > anti-Microsoft point.
>
> Why anti-whatever ? Things are not black or white, there are a lot of
> companies and persons outthere doing good and bad things at whatever.
Because I have to. If I were to write an essay that was grey, that said
"well, they did some bad, but they did some good, so I guess it balances
out", I would get an F. So, from an academic point of view, it's black, or
it's white. That is not to say that black cannot acknowledge the presence
of white or vice versa, but if I were to argue both, I'd be up the creek.
Thanks for your reply.
glen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Do not like Windows but ...
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:59:30 GMT
On 25 Jun 2000 22:38:21 GMT, David M. Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:01:08 GMT, Pedro Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>You seem to like all these windows apps so why don't you like windows?
>
>> winamp is better than xmms or whatever on Linux
>
>Assuming that is true, I just need something that plays mp3s (mpg123!),
>which are a low-fi format that sounds OK on lil computer speakers. I hardly
>see the need for a lot of nuances in an mp3 player.
xmms has plenty of nuances. It has a quite effectively used
plugin faciliyt. However, winamp is hardly the win32 mp3 to
be using as a paragon.
However, winamp is hardly the win32 mp3 to be holding up as
some sort of paragon. Freeamp and it's clones are far better.
[deletia]
>> multimedia and games are better than on Linux
>
>Not an interest of mine so I'll pass.
It is an interest of mine. Win32 manages to be "better" primarily
due to 3rd party support. Game deployment and performance on Linux
is sufficiently on par with Windows. Some of the newer 3d drivers
can even go toe to toe with their Windows counterpart.
[deletia]
>> explorer is better than netscape
>
>I'll buy that. So lets see a Linux port.
You're better off with Opera. It is currently a Linux x86 alpha.
[deletia]
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An Example of the Superiority of Windows vs Linux
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:02:03 -0400
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > InstallSHIELD is just a weak shell scripting language with a
> > little eye candy in to impress the weak minded (like you).
>
> Actually it's worse than that, it's buggy.
>
> > It only exists due to the inherent inadequacies of the underlying
> > OS...
>
> Windows has very little in the way of SETUP tools. But then, UNIX has
> setld, and OpenVMS has VMSINSTAL. Linux does not have setld - why not?
> Before Red Hat and so on, the installation packages were either compressed
> tar files or the Slackware system.
>
> Now Linux has RPM files, an invention to partially help with installations.
> However, the effect of requiring other packages is a real pain in the neck
If you buy a distribution, it should have all of the required packages.
>
> on Linux. Most installations on Windows comes with everything the
> application needs - because the licence exists to allow this in commercial
> software. Unfortunately its not perfect - the DLL Hell.
>
> Pete
Colin Day
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From: Ian Westcott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: 25 Jun 2000 23:08:07 GMT
KLH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I figured I'd share my thoughts on Linux and see what Linux advocates
:> had to say. They flamed me, they claimed I worked for Microsoft,
:> they've mail bombed me, they've called me a liar. Exactly why should I
:> like Linux?
: As a GNU/Linux advocate, this scares the hell out of me.
: There used to be such a nice community. I wonder what has happened to it.
: Just remember though, there seem to be more trolls here from this side of
: the fence.
: To any rabid GNU/Linux zealots out there. Microsoft isn't the enemy. *You*
: are.
I've always said that Linux's worst enemy isn't Microsoft, but it's
own small yet vocal hoard of rabid trolls. Hating Microsoft is a
horrible reason to like Linux.
--
Ian Westcott Rakarra@IRC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Ian Westcott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS?
Date: 25 Jun 2000 23:10:07 GMT
Kevin Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Secretly Cruel
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:>>Linux is a fine little OS if you have the time for it... I don't.
:>
:> Eh? I'm new to it all and had a fully functional home workstation set up
:> in an hour. Sure, I've still got a lot to learn but I can do anything I
:> did on my Windows machine.
: GNU/Linux does take more time to set up properly and learn. Some of
: the hardware is troublesome getting to install. You often have to
: RTFM which is definitedly not light reading. Some of the distributions
: don't set things up properly or securely. Like having all those services
: enabled by default. At least Windows doesn't have daemons that you
: need to worry about (only email clients :).
What about NetBios? :)
--
Ian Westcott Rakarra@IRC
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity
Date: 25 Jun 2000 23:11:25 GMT
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 03:48:32 -0400, Jeff Szarka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is exactly why I can't take Linux users seriously.
Well, this is why I don't take *you* too seriously; you seem to believe
c.o.l.a represents the Linux community, and I'm sure it serves your purposes
(whatever those are) to do so. Since this is the only Linux newsgroup you
read, I suppose that shouldn't be too suprising.
I doubt c.o.l.a accounts for even 1% of the community, and the sampling that
one gets here is highly unrepresentative. Most Linux people that I know
don't take this newsgroup seriously if they've ever read it at all. Like a
lot of advocacy groups, it's meant to keep junk out of the useful newsgroups.
Myself, I don't think c.o.l.a is all that bad compared to say
rec.audio.opinion, where sheer nastiness is almost the rule and people *do*
mean it personally.
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:54:41 +0100
In comp.os.linux.misc Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>After users settle in and get used to reading man pages/HTML docs,
> ...and after they get used to using ^P, ^N, ^B, and ^F insted of the arrow
> keys,
What the HELL are you talking about? I have NEVER used those keys for text
navigation... Linux is about CHOICE, remember. You use whatever editor YOU
like, not what someone imposes on you.
> and after they get used to having PgUp and PgDown only work
> sometiems,
Work fine in tin, elm and joe... That's all I care about.
> and after they get used to using DEL insted of BACKSPACE
My DEL deletes the character the cursor is on, my backspace deletes to the
left... Something wrong with that?
> and after they get used to waiting for Netscape and after they get used to
> tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD....
Never heard of automount either, I suppose...
<sings (to the tune of Mud, mud, glorious mud...)>
FUD, FUD, glorious FUD, nothing quite like it for heating the blood...
>>support costs would
> ...go thru the roof. Youd shure make the UNIX gooru's happy, but the
> normle users will hate halving to rede MAN pages all the time and use VI
> to eddit text files.
Who's forcing VI on anyone? I certainly never use it. I never use emacs
either. (And only used microEmacs at university).
>>drop. I think companies could have fewer people, but they
>>might need more competent people. (2 Unix BOFH-types at $90,000 each is
>>less expensive than 6 tech-support Bobs at $30,000 each, factoring in
>>health insurance/benefits/etc.) ICBW on all that, of course.
> But you'd nead 20 teck-support Bob's to handel all the users hoo are going
> to be calling to ask how to do things that wer eesy for them on Windos.
Why? Choose the correct window manager, and they'll take to it like a fish
to water. They won't even ever have to TOUCH the console if the window
manager's properly configured.
>>>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
>>>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
>>>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
>>>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
>>>kindness of strangers.
>>
>>Good question. <soapbox>I believe that I am *required* to help people
>>with Linux support, as my code's full of nasty quick hacks and I'm too
> Doant' beet yourself up. Everyother Open Sore's programmer's coad is full
> of nasty hack's and bugs to Lie-nux is all maid up of nasty hack's thats'
> why it sucks so mutch.
How much is uncle Bill paying you for this? Too much I think, seeing as
you're doing such a shit job at it.
>>poor to give loads of cash to the FSF, yet I need to give back to the
>>community in some way. As such, if I can help somebody, I will, whether
>>they're Joe Home User or Jane Corporate User. Linux has been built on a
>>culture of altruism and knowledge-sharing; we should keep it up as much as
>>possible and encourage those who've learned something to share it.
>></soapbox>
>>
>>That said, I'd be more motivated, less sarcastic/bitchy, and able to help
>>more people if somebody were paying me by the hour to solve Linux
>>problems.
>>
> Maybe youd be abal to rite better coad to.
Maybe you've be more comfortable if you removed your keyboard from your
arse.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Comparing Windows NT and UNIX System Management
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 15:45:09 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tim Palmer wrote:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/bin/nts/ntsysman.exe
>
> What's the point of this? It's a dead link.
>
That is the point, but, perhaps not the intended point. Is NT systems
management is a dead issue? ;-)
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Run Linux on your desktop? Why? I ask for proof, not advocacy
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:27:58 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> If they're allreddy in Windows, why would they want the option to boot Linux to run
>there Windows app?
>
Because Linux is more stable.
>
> >Sure, not every single
> >application will work exactly the way it does on native Windows (the
> >system won't crash, burn, hang, and die if the application goes nuts),
>
> ...but rather a few sharware versions of crap from TUCOWS will run, whial WINE
>would choke on any large, full-feetured program and take X Windows and the consoal
>down with it.
>
No. even if WINE hangs the display, you just hit CTRL-ALT F1 to get a console, and
then kill the offending process. You return to X by hitting CTRL-ALT F7.
> >
> >StarOffice is one of several office suites available for
> >Linux, and one of several Office suites available for both
> >Linux and Windows.
>
> Then why doessn't anyboddy use it?
>
But anybody (i. e.) somebody does use it. Or are you asking why
everybody doesn't use it. But not everybody uses Microsoft Office,
either.
>
> >
> >StarOffice is written in Java, eats a great deal of memory, and
> >runs all applications under a single MDI. Some people like that,
> >I don't.
> >
> >WordPerfect for Office is also available for Linux and Windows. The
> >import/export features leave a bit to be desired, but you can publish
> >pretty sharp documents that can be read by Microsft Office.
>
> Can you immbed VB scripts? Didn't think so.
>
Aren't VB scripts just text files? Besides, VB doesn't work in Linux.
Can one imbed UNIX shell scripts?
> >
> >
> >> I doubt it. Today's PC's come with state of the art
> >> hardware built in to the system.
> >
> >A PC with a built in printer - what, the Coleco Adam? :-)
>
> A laptop.
>
A laptop has a built-in printer? That must kill battery life.
> >
> >Microsoft pushes Winmodems, so you dedicate 30% of your processor to
> >feeding a dac and sucking an adc.
> >
>
> I seariously dout its' 30%, you LIE-NUX LIAR! It probly more like 4%, whitch is
>NOTHING unless your on a 386 and
> only Lie-nux losers still have 386s.
>
It's not the absolute number of CPU cycles, but a winmodem has to hit the CPU
in real time.
>
> >Microsoft pushes SVGA so you don't get an HDTV display.
>
> Lie-nux cant even handle 90% of SVGA cards.
>
Which 90% would that be? Creative and ATI are pretty much supporting
Linux.
> >
> >You get VBScript attachments - which makes it easer to do anything
> >to the hard drive and the registry.
> >
> >Windows is hacker heaven,
>
> All the stuff in Phrack is about UNIX.
>
> > HDTV displays - big and wide. Linux uses X11 to set resolutions, and
> > the Xserver can be configured for pretty much any format display.
>
> You don't half to look for HDTV to find vidio cards that X11 doesn't support. If
>HDTV displays came to PCs, Windos would support them furst.
>
> >
>
> >compatibility with other formats. Try editing that word .doc file under
> >notepad and see what word gives you when you're finished.
>
> Try edditing a .DOC fial under VI and see what Word gives you.
>
About the same as trying to generate a .DVI file in Microsoft Word.
> >little VHS sized box, but then again, CompUSA charges about $200/cubic
> >foot per month for floor space.
>
> ...and nobody would actually pay for LYNX.
>
And would anyone pay for Internet Explorer?
> >> Let's talk ISP's.
> >>
> >> Talk to Earthlink, Worldnet, FreeWeb, AOL, Compuserv and see what they
> >> think of Linux.
> >
> >No problem with Earthlink, Worldnet, and MCI (though you do have to
> >set the MSChap option). Many ISPs don't like dealing with Linux
> >users because we stay on much longer.
>
> Too bizzy downlodeing kernal patches, eh?
>
No. And downloading the diff files isn't that bad.
> >
> >Ever heard of IRC-II? Linux/Unix was doing streaming audio back when
>
> How does ircII mannadge to do streeming audio when it cant' even do graffix?
>
And why would streaming audio require graphics, except for a GUI to
control the streaming.
> >
> >Actually, they are supported under UNIX! And from UNIX to Linux
> >is a very short hop.
>
> Yeah rite. All the good apps I ever see are for Windows, and all you Lie-nux liars
>ever show me are half-assed substitutes.
>
> None of the good PC hardware is suppoarted by Lie-nux.
>
Does that include ATI video cards?
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Astroturf Ad From "Trustix" -was- Linux is easier now
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:17:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tore Olsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I already sent Mr Bilk a mail about this, but I'd like to apologize on
> behalf of Trustix to all the readers of c.o.l.advocacy about this
> incident. We are working hard to create good products, and hate to see
> the results of our work ruined by misguided marketing people. I hope
> that you accept our apology and I guarantee this will not happen
> again.
>
> And no, I didn't write this just because the spam was discovered. I
> mean it.
>
> --
> Tore Olsen mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Development Manager phone: +47 73545054
> Trustix AS fax: +47 73545053
Certainly isn't the first time a corporate employee posted to C.O.L.A.
pretending to be a private individual. Now if only Bill Gates would
follow your lead and apologize for his hordes of paid trolls.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:32:43 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> ...and after they get used to using ^P, ^N, ^B, and ^F insted of the arrow
> keys, and after they get used
> to having PgUp and PgDown only work sometiems, and after they get used
> to using DEL insted of BACKSPACE and
> after they get used to waiting for Netscape and after they get used to
> tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD....
Gee, I must have a broken version of Linux then. I use the arrow keys with no
problem. PgUp and PgDown work just fine and DEL and BACKSPACE do the proper
thing. And if you try to mount a CD BEFORE loading it, you of course will get an
error. But then I never have to type mount because the CD is automatically
mounted. You really should try Linux before bashing it. It is obvious you know
nothing about Linux or Unix.
And you still haven't retracted you statement about Linux for S/390 requiring VM.
This is just another example of your total ignorance.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft and General Stupidity
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:34:02 GMT
If you haven't read the Halloween documents from Microsoft yet, you
should. And as you read them, think of those documents in terms of
NGWS, SOAP, the recent patent infringement lawyer letters, the arrogance
of Microsoft during the anti-trust hearings, their acquisition strategy,
JAVA, the new "C#" language, and more. They have an agenda, and they're
not deviating from it.
One Microsoft Way. Its not just an address, its a goal.
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
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From: "Ferdinand V. Mendoza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing Windows 98
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:56:03 +0400
Funny you!
For some unknown reason, your winblows 98
probably tried to do an "su" (suwin) while
at the same time installing. He-he-hee...
It wanted to be root, huh.
Ferdinand
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I got this message installing Windows 98
>
> http://www.geocities.com/bernard_blundell/pictures/dependability.jpg
>
> Well, it made /me/ laugh.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Linux MUST be in TROUBLE
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:54:34 GMT
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 00:06:53 -0700, Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:03:26 GMT,
> Pete Goodwin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote in
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[deletia]
>>
>>Now what is this XPM format - X pixel map. Similar to XBM, X bitmap. A
>>representation of graphics written in C format! Talk about inefficient!
>
>It's fine for small images, like icons and the like.
Your likely cluster size isn't going to be under 4K anyways.
Plus, the format is human readable and tweakable with nothing
more than a text editor.
Some of the 'easy' tools muck up the transparent color index.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Yes, commercial OS are supported
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:53:09 GMT
As a longtime sysadmin of IBM products, if their committment to Linux is
only just average by IBM standards, it'll exceed the quality of
Microsoft support by several orders of magnitude. IBM support is
legendary, and is what every other support organization on the planet
aspires to.
I'm waiting to see with HP. Best helpdesk operation in this hemisphere,
but their involvement with Linux seems to be another of HP's "me too"
marketing strategies. My impression is they're not keen on helping
Linux, they're helping their IA-64, and Linux is just one way to do it.
As soon as MSFT announces something better that happens to run their
stuff, HP will be there with banner ads saying "me too".
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:59:25 GMT
On 25 Jun 2000 15:48:03 GMT, Darren Winsper
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 19:45:04 GMT, Oscar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[deletia]
>> Note to Linux dudes out there: Remember Macintosh, Amiga, and OS/2?
>> Lots of people thought/knew that those products were better. They got
>> cocky and lost to Billy boy. Also I don't sub the linux forum, I
>> caught this on an NT support forum, if ya wanna flame me, email me.
>
>Apple refused to open up the hardware platform and were overpriced.
>Linux is open. Commodore stood still and were overtaken. Linux is
Beyond more grunt in the hardware, PC's still really haven't
overtaken Amigas. Wintel PC's just managed to push other
option out of the market and catch up to the Amiga 'enough'.
>advancing at a frightening pace. IBM failed to market OS/2 well enough
>and overpriced it IIRC. Linux is gaining market share despite the lack
>of marketing and is free or cheap, depending on where you get it from.
Prior to the Win9x launch, you could get OS/2 for ~ $30. IBM's
prices have never been out of line with the FULL licence costs
of Microsoft products. Even NeXT and Solaris prices of that era
weren't that far out of line with comparable MS product.
The cost of WinDOS has always been successfully obscured.
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Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 00:01:52 GMT
On 25 Jun 2000 19:50:13 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Darren Winsper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 25 Jun 2000 08:14:42 GMT, MK
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> Do you know what market share does YOUR grocery have?
>>No, but I know it is not more than 25% of the UK market.
>>> Do you care?
>
>>Actually, yes. You see, in my local area, there is *one* supermarket.
>>In order to go to another, I have to drive to a different town.
>>Because of this, my local supermarket can get away with being crap and
>>overpriced, kind of like Microsoft.
>
> There are several possibilities:
>
>* Starting some competition may be expensive, and it may not recoup its
>investment if that price-gouger changes its tune.
A small town might not have enough market to support more than
one supermarket. There are small towns in the states where this
is the case and quality suffers, I think, as a result.
>
>* That price-gouger's management may have pulled strings at some local
>zoning board.
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