Linux-Advocacy Digest #401, Volume #27 Fri, 30 Jun 00 14:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Rick)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Tim Kelley)
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Lost Cause Theater!!! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
RE: Linux Videos ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause
Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI!
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98) (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Linux, easy to use? (Roberto Alsina)
RE: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Linux is junk ("Pedro Iglesias")
RE: Corel Photo Paint for Linux... ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Cihl)
RE: C# is a copy of java ("Pedro Iglesias")
Re: Corel Photo Paint for Linux... (Cihl)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or fantasy?
(Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale" (Cihl)
Re: Linux is junk (Cihl)
Task Manager Warning (Neil Cerutti)
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:46:06 -0400
Shock Boy wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Marion
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Full Name wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> We recently had a Mandrake box rendered unusable when the machine that
> > > >> was used as a backup failed to answer the mount request.
> > > >
> > > >Why don't you configure it properly...
> > >
> > > Ah... the usual UNIXhead answer whenever someone complains about falling
> > > into yet another UNIX misconfiguration trap: "It's not the fault of
> > > UNIX, it's the fault of the user for not configuring UNIX properly."
> > >
> > > And they wonder why the Linux companies have fallen on hard times...
> >
> > Just exactly what hard times would those be? Linux continues to increase
> > marketshare, mostly with servers, but also some desktops.
> >
> > as for configuration...you should see the nightmares that arise when
> > Windoze isnt correctly configured.
>
> Every linux install I have withnessed had the difficulty in configuration.. but i've
>yet to see
> any nightmares over windows.
>
> Insert CD, click install.. sip some coffee.. then install one's applications.
Cant use this, IRQ conflict, cant use that, IRQ conflict. Its a
nightmare.
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Rick
To reply by email remove the obvious from my address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Kelley)
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 15:39:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 29 Jun 2000 19:32:40 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:51:25 -0500, Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually I admire the Poles for trying their best.
>>
>>Gee, how gracious of you. I'm sure they would've appreciated it.
>>
>>The truth is you're a complete dork who obviously has little to
>>do with his time, like the other windows morons on here. What is
>>unbelieveable is that anyone bothers to answer the little turds
>>you, Tim Palmer or Jeff Szarka throw on cola.
>
>Whare's your Commy IWW sig, CommyLie-nux Commy? The troth is that you are a hippy,
>commy dork working to overthrou capitleism with your crappy CommyLie-nux.
YEAH BABY GO!
>You'l do anytthing to make everyone put up with yoor crappy 1960's Commy Line
>Interface tiping commands all day.
>
>DOS is ded, and UNIX should go with it.
er ... DOS is not dead, it's the reason why your win98 box is always
crashing (still).
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.iww.org
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:45:55 -0500
Jim Cameron wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 28 Jun 2000 15:56:06 -0500, Tim Palmer wrote:
> >>And you work for the Commy IWW. You genuin COMMYLINUX BASTARD
> >>
> >>Why run CommyLie-nux when you can run Cappittalist
> >>Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >Linux is an operating system, you stupid ass. It is not leftist or rightist
> >or any of that. I know loopy leftists who use Windows and hard line rightists
> >that use Linux.
> >
> >You're worse than the loopy advocates -- Windows and Linux are just OSs,
> >not political schools. Get over it. And learn to spell.
>
> I vote Tim Palmer for Most Successful Troll of 2000.
>
> jim
> --
> http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
> "Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
I thought to be succesful you had to convince people that you were
right. This guy can't even write correctly.
Personally, I would vote him most entertaining troll. That is what I
read his posts for, and why I reply to him. Reading his posts makes it
worth coming through cola. Reminds me of TIMMAY on SouthPark too. Who
doesn't like that?
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lost Cause Theater!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:51:40 -0500
Tim Kelley wrote:
> >Whare's your Commy IWW sig, CommyLie-nux Commy? The troth is that you are a hippy,
>commy dork working to overthrou capitleism with your crappy CommyLie-nux.
>
> YEAH BABY GO!
>
Voice of Eric Cartman: "It's all a bunch of tree huggin' hippie crap.
Screw you guys, I'm going home."
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:27:08 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:45:55 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jim Cameron wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On 28 Jun 2000 15:56:06 -0500, Tim Palmer wrote:
>> >>And you work for the Commy IWW. You genuin COMMYLINUX BASTARD
>> >>
>> >>Why run CommyLie-nux when you can run Cappittalist
>> >>Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >Linux is an operating system, you stupid ass. It is not leftist or rightist
>> >or any of that. I know loopy leftists who use Windows and hard line rightists
>> >that use Linux.
>> >
>> >You're worse than the loopy advocates -- Windows and Linux are just OSs,
>> >not political schools. Get over it. And learn to spell.
>>
>> I vote Tim Palmer for Most Successful Troll of 2000.
>>
>> jim
>> --
>> http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
>> "Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
>
>I thought to be succesful you had to convince people that you were
>right. This guy can't even write correctly.
Am I the only one that finds his mispelling of Commie supremely
annoying? Mind you, I'm not one to to spread spelling flames.
However I do find it quite pathetic when bigots can't even
spell or pronounce their own pejoratives right...
>
>Personally, I would vote him most entertaining troll. That is what I
>read his posts for, and why I reply to him. Reading his posts makes it
>worth coming through cola. Reminds me of TIMMAY on SouthPark too. Who
>doesn't like that?
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux Videos
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 08:36:14 GMT
> Are there any Videos on Linux out there at all? I think I've heard of
> one by Yggdrasil, I was wondering what your opinions are.
I do not understand what you do refer to ...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Corel Does Nothing To Help The Linux Cause
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:29:24 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:23:51 +0800, Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:43:58 +0100, Sean Akers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>But as usual, it's the one rotten apple that spoils the whole
>> >>basket. I'd say try SuSE, it's in my opinion the best Linux
>> >>distribution available.
>>
>> I'm pretty impressed with Caldera eDesktop as well.
>>
>> --
>> -| Bob Hauck
>> -| Codem Systems, Inc.
>> -| http://www.codem.com/
>
>Believe me I have tried many Linux distros. By far Linux Mandrake and
>Suse are the best. Suse 6.4 is byfar
>the best distribution I have ever tried out. Linux Mandrake seems to
>improve with every version . both of these are far better than redhat and
>Corel
Redhat seems to be less ambitious with respect to the desktop.
I think they only did a graphical installer again just not to
look foolish (or perhaps more foolish <chuckle>) when compared
to the rest of the market. As far as Corel vs. Mandrake goes:
Mandrake appears to be Corel done right and done by people from
the community versus some outside marketing cluebies.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Mac OS X gonna have a CLI!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:34:21 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 02:38:03 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mmnnoo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> Woofbert wrote:
[deletia]
>Well, yeah. That's one way make something consistent and easy to learn.
>
>
>>Mac users pride themselves
>> on _not_ customizing or configuring anything, ever, which precludes
>> tweaking things to match personal preferences.
>
>That's funny ... Most Mac users I know like to download all kinds of
>wild and crazy eye candy, toys, and utilities.
A seed for a new ad capaign perhaps.
Macintosh: because a home user should be able to throw all kinds
of tweaks, eye candy and random shareware at a computer with total
confidence... <snicker>
I still have fond memories of MacPuke... Someone needs to hack
eject to do the same thing... '-)
>
>I'm beginning to wonder whether we're talking about the same Apple
>Macintosh here.
[no-sigs]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:38:19 GMT
On 30 Jun 2000 01:06:30 -0700, robert3@# <robert3@#> wrote:
>
>>> >
>>> > My server and other "mission critical" hosts have been up and running now
>>> > for more than six months!
>
>Unix systems are supposed to be up for long times. Not like those window
>joke things.
Our solaris and irix boxes don't go down for any reason short
of a power outtage.
>
>I worked once at a place where we used Solaris. over a period of 18 months,
>I never shutdown my workstation. it just stayed up. I abuse it so much,
>and it never went down. The concept of a system crash in Unix is a foreign
>concept. It can happen of course, but I never seen one myself.
Unixen can get into an unmanagable state sometimes, but that's
more a matter of inexperienced admin than anything else.
[deletia]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why linux sucks and why linux is best
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 16:48:01 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 13:36:58 GMT, Jim Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (No Name) wrote in <8jfn16$ppq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>99% of computer users don't give a fig about "3D Positional Audio on
>>>Sound Cards".
>>
>>Where do you get that amazing figure?
...a likely extrapolation of the "cheap over everything"
and "don't burden me with technical details" maxims that
these Lemmings keep pushing.
The first clue my mother-in-law had that you could to TV tuning
and video overlay on a computer was when I told her about it
running on my Linux box. Many users are just like this.
>
>He pulled it out of his arse, of course, just like a Windows advocate.
>
>> Seems like every sound card
>>manufacturer wants 3D Positional Audio, EAX or A3D support on their cards.
>>Why would they do that if nobody cared?
>
>It adds another bullet point onto the side of the box. The more bullet
>points, the more stuff you sell. Whether any of them actually get used
>is another matter. Look at Word 8-)
Keep in mind that it doesn't necessarily need to be built into
the card. Either way, you still have an electrical wave being
fed to 2 or 4 speakers. It doesn't matter how that wave is
generated so long as the net effect doesn't ruin realtime
responsiveness.
[deletia]
Windows User: "You mean I can get those spiffy features with
a $20 generic soundcard?".
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 11:47:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:45:55 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Jim Cameron wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >On 28 Jun 2000 15:56:06 -0500, Tim Palmer wrote:
> >> >>And you work for the Commy IWW. You genuin COMMYLINUX BASTARD
> >> >>
> >> >>Why run CommyLie-nux when you can run Cappittalist
> >> >>Microsoft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> >Linux is an operating system, you stupid ass. It is not leftist or rightist
> >> >or any of that. I know loopy leftists who use Windows and hard line rightists
> >> >that use Linux.
> >> >
> >> >You're worse than the loopy advocates -- Windows and Linux are just OSs,
> >> >not political schools. Get over it. And learn to spell.
> >>
> >> I vote Tim Palmer for Most Successful Troll of 2000.
> >>
> >> jim
> >> --
> >> http://madeira.physiol.ucl.ac.uk/people/jim/
> >> "Revenge is an integral part of forgiving and forgetting" -The BOFH
> >
> >I thought to be succesful you had to convince people that you were
> >right. This guy can't even write correctly.
>
> Am I the only one that finds his mispelling of Commie supremely
> annoying? Mind you, I'm not one to to spread spelling flames.
> However I do find it quite pathetic when bigots can't even
> spell or pronounce their own pejoratives right...
>
Well, it's only fitting considering that he can't spell anything else
right either. But I do see your point. People that say they are
superior to someone else almost always do so in a way that shows they
have no intelligence whatsoever.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: 30 Jun 2000 11:56:48 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>Linux doesn't support USB well yet so I guess that means you guys are
>>>stuck with dead end or high end hardware.
>>
>>Like NT, I guess, only it won't cost anything to upgrade. Mandrake 7.1
>>has USB support backed into the 2.2 kernel and it will be in 2.4.
>
>Kinda like that, except Win2k's USB support is a hell of a lot more
>complete than Mandrake.
What does Win2k have to do with NT? Are they offereing free
upgrades or something?
>>>You can say that for anything. What printer interface would YOU have
>>>recommended a year ago? If it is parallel or serial then I guess you
>>>would be stuck with hardware you can't even plug in to your machines
>>>let alone get a driver for in a year or so's time.
>>
>>For office use I always get ethernet. For home use I got both
>>interfaces more than a year ago.
>
>Ditto. Always use USB now though.
I might but I got stuck trying to make the scanner work with
USB and a Win98 box. They don't see each other and I
haven't had time to figure out why - or how to diagnose something
that is mostly black magic. I did borrow a USB video camera
to make sure the computer port worked.
>>Just a matter of practicality. Printers should be sharable
>>on the network and my assortment of machines are never going
>>to be limited to a single OS. If I can't send it a print job
>>from any machine, then it isn't really a printer.
>
>That's your requirements and I don't argue with their suitability
>(mainly because they are mine as well). Many people just want Win98
>and a printer. That's a different ball park and should be looked at
>differently.
Is there any way to insert ghostscript or any standard printer
control language into the Win98 print sharing mechanism so
remote machines could send postscript-formatted jobs and
get them printed on a winprinter? That sort of thing is
trivial under unix-style network printing.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: 30 Jun 2000 12:02:58 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I think all Winprinters are parallel at the moment. They are pretty
>ordinary anyhow given that their whole purpose is to cut as many costs
>as they can. I'm only trying to illustrate the point that drivers can
>have value - mjcr seems to think otherwise and is using one case to
>prove his generalisation that all work should be done in hardware and
>not software. He just hasn't learned yet that one or two cases don't
>make me wrong and he's avoiding the cases that make him wrong (video
>cards).
Having an open, documented interface has value to the customer
too. In programming terms, and interface is like a contract.
Being able to read a contract you are accepting is worth something
even if you don't plan any changes.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:01:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin) wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) wrote in <8jfo7s$c0r$1
> @nnrp1.deja.com>:
>
> >But even with a xterm: copy/paste behaviour in terminals in unix is
> >much more consistent with other GUI apps than in windows, is it not?
>
> CTRL-C CTRL-V work with any edit field in Windows. The same is not
true of
> Gnome, KDE etc.
But select-with-left, paste-with-middle is true. And it does work in
terminals. (Am I right that Ctrl-C does not work on a dos window?)
So, at least for text selection/pasting (notice how I leave you a way
out), X is more consistent than windows. Amazing!
Any comments?
PS: Ctrl-c/x/v works in all Gnome and KDE programs.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: RE: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:12:54 GMT
I can't understand this uptimes. First of all, don't you
update your kernel ? (not modules, the kernel itself).
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux is junk
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:12:55 GMT
> Of coarse not. Lie-nux doesn't nead sound. All it neads is text.
GNU/Linux can use most of the sound cards out there. Anyway,
sound is not a need except for doing music, and then, Windows is
not the best option of course.
> Lie-nux is a "seerius work OS". In other words, all it does is shufle text
and it has no use
> for graftics. Your suppost to go to a DOS box and do everyrthing in
their. And all that datta
> you save'd would be useless on Lie-nux annyway unless it was just ASCII
text.
Obviously, you know that you are wrong in here, don't know even why you did
post this.
> >My network card didn't work.
> Lie-nux bairly supports any hardware. Most hardwire neads Windos to work.
I could not easily find networks card that don't work with Linux.
> Lie-nux only kno's about postscript printers.
It even works with my HP DeskJet 710c, one of the so called winprinters.
> That's Lie-nux for you. Chok full of bugs, demons, and gools.
I suppose that you just enjoy posting and write whichever you imagine at
the moment, without having knowledge about it.
> That'll be in the next re-lees. The Lie-nuts prommiss.
Yeah, something like SP1 to SPn in NT and 2000 ... at home serie, just
do not need SP, new OS each two years is enough.
> Try 1970's. It even comes with VI.
You do not have to use it if you do not want, why is it wrong including it
since it is smaller than the Windows logo and a lot of people feel okay
with it ?
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Corel Photo Paint for Linux...
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:12:54 GMT
Is it related to wine as the rest of Corel Office 2000 ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:20:24 GMT
On Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:12:54 GMT, Pedro Iglesias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can't understand this uptimes. First of all, don't you
>update your kernel ? (not modules, the kernel itself).
Barring a kernel level security issue or bug that cannot be
addressed by something outside the kernel like tcp wrappers
or a firewall, the motivations to upgrade production systems
(or even home systems) aren't that dire.
My last set of kernel upgrades were entirely artificial as I
wanted (not needed to) to futz around with USB and Linux.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:23:06 GMT
Pedro Iglesias wrote:
>
> I can't understand this uptimes. First of all, don't you
> update your kernel ? (not modules, the kernel itself).
If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. It's as simple as that.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: "Pedro Iglesias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: C# is a copy of java
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:40:11 GMT
> I don't know what they meant when they siad C# is not meant to
> be a competition to Java
I suppose that they mean that will not support non-Windows
platforms.
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Corel Photo Paint for Linux...
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:27:12 GMT
Could anybody tell me where i can download it, apart from the Corel
FTP-server. It seems to be too busy. All i get is a 'login incorrect'
message.
:-(
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: 30 Jun 2000 12:20:24 -0500
In article <NKU65.234$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Shock Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > That's been my experience on all our PC's at work and my one PC at home.
>>
>> are you talking about windows-nt or 0.98 ?
>
>I believe the thread was referencing Win2K. I have not myself ever installed NT or 98
>from fresh. I've only upgraded a Win95OSR2.1
>to
>Win98 and then WIn98SE. I added a dual/triple boot of NT4.0 and Win2K to my Win98
>computer.. and upgraded several NT4.0 to Win2K.
>The only "fresh" installs I have done were Win2K, and they went without a hitch. My
>description of simply inserting the Cd, sipping
>some coffee was pretty much what I did.
Just for fun, find a machine that came preloaded with Win95OSR2 on
a large hard drive and turn it into a dual-boot 95/NT system.
You'll get a better feeling for other people's experience with
Windows installs... (If you haven't tried this, NT won't work
on the VFAT32 drive, so you have to reformat and re-install
win95, and win95 won't boot from the CD, so you need a floppy
with CD drivers just to get started, then you have to reboot
each side about 20 times as you install service packs, IE
updates, and all your applications).
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Claims of Windows supporting old applications are reflecting reality or
fantasy?
Date: 30 Jun 2000 12:26:36 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Wiltshire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ...as if the two are effectively any different.
>
>They are very different. Document centric means you open a document
>and edit it, not caring what applications control which parts.
What does make this decision as you move the document to different
machines? If some machine has a different app for a particular
part of the data, is it used instead of the one that only
existed on the originating machine?
>Depends on how smooth you want it to look. Given OLE at the moment,
>editing an Excel sheet in word changes the Word menus to Excel menus,
>toolbars can be placed in the original window and so on. Basically it
>appears to the user that Word itself knows how to edit the object when
>it is really Excel running behind the scenes.
What happens if you don't have excel, have a different version
than the last person that touched the document, or have some
other spreadsheet program?
Les Mikesell
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ready for Linux ? The "Furniture Scale"
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:32:37 GMT
> > This is a pretty good description. If you've at least stripped
> > the paint and re-painted it, that's a good start. If you've tuned
> > your own car, if you've replaced a faucet, or if you've successfully
> > learned to drive a stick-shift in rush-hour traffic, then you probably
> > have the ability to install:
>
> Hey, I do *all* of that! :-)
What's so hard about driving a stick-shift in rush-hour traffic? I do
that every single day.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: Cihl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is junk
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 17:36:23 GMT
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Tim Palmer wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:55:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Linux is a stinkin', steamin' pile of shit as far as I am concerned.
> > >
> > >I wasted $40 on Corel Office and wish I could get my hard earned money
> > >back!
> > >
> > >I also wasted another $60 on Partition Magic, like Corel suggested.
> > >
> > >First off the piece of shit destroyed my hard drive and erased 2 years
> > >worth
> > >of data I had saved. Lucky for me I have a backup on CD but it is
> > >a couple of days old.
> > >
> > >The install kept failing over and over again dying on my SCSI controller
> > >but finally, and mysteriously it worked despite my not changing
> > >anything.
> > >
> > >My sound card didn't work.
> >
> > Of coarse not. Lie-nux doesn't nead sound. All it neads is text.
>
> No O/S "NEEDS" sound.
>
> No more than your car "NEEDS" air-conditioning.
>
> Of course, Linux doesn't DEPEND on sound.
>
> Why is Sound so important on LoseDOS???? How else would you be
> alerted that you have Yet Another INSIPID Error-Message Window Button
> to click????
You need sound on Windows ME so you can listen to the little wizard
all over the screen calling you a stupid asshole all day.
--
¨I live!¨
¨I hunger!¨
¨Run, coward!¨
-- The Sinistar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Cerutti)
Subject: Task Manager Warning
Date: 30 Jun 2000 17:25:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From Windows NT:
Task Manager Warning
WARNING: Changing the priority class of this process may
cause undesirable results including system instability. Are
you sure you wish to change the priority class?
[Yes] [[No]]
<bg>
Does anything more need to be said?
--
Neil Cerutti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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