Linux-Advocacy Digest #509, Volume #27 Fri, 7 Jul 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Linux lags behind Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Growing dependence on Java (Aravind Sadagopan)
Re: Linux is just plain awful (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Growing dependence on Java (Ciaran)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Brian")
Re: Linux is just plain awful (pac4854)
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:38:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray Chason) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>OK, granted, if you insist on the latest k3w1est toys you'll have
>problems with Linux. Just answer me this: why Voodoo 5? Is there even
>one game that really needs one, or benefits enough to justify spending
>US$300 on one?
What's "k3w1est" - coolest? Some kind of character mangling going on here?
Why not Voodoo5? Why not any new hardware that doesn't have a Linux driver
for it yet? Am I supposed to restrict what I buy because Linux doesn't
support it yet?
I bought Voodoo5 to speed up Unreal Tournament. It also means Quake III
Arena runs a lot faster at higher resolution.
>Bleeding edge hardware just doesn't make sense for most users. And by
>the time it's not bleeding edge -- by the time there's actually some
>applications you can use with it -- there's a fair chance of Linux
>support, and the card will be cheaper as well.
So I should wait for Linux to catchup? Isn't this the whole problem? Linux
lags behind Windows!
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 09:12:47 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
<8k0f8o$14r3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Not that upgrade, the next one. Click the DrakConf button and
>hit 'Mandrake Update'. But be prepared.
Is this the feature that was partially broken in 7.0 but has been updated
in 7.1 that presents you with a list of modules to upgrade?
>And you couldn't do that with a card that supports Linux? The
>nvidia drivers are easy to find. 3dfx might have some but
>if they do they have hidden them well.
Linux is not my primary OS.
>Start with: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/
I'll take a look. A Linux laptop might be fun.
>The frame buffer is different - there were directions around for
>running the ATI 128's in this mode before the real drivers
>were done.
I'll see if I can dig up the details of how to do this.
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:53:37 GMT
bobh{at}haucks{dot}org (Bob Hauck) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The real answer is that drivers are written to make the hardware
>usable. Operating systems with larger market share get drivers first,
>because the hardware company wants to get the most sales possible. As
>Linux increases market share, driver support will improve (has been
>improving) because having Linux support will add additional incremental
>sales of the hardware. This is already evident in the server market,
>where all sorts of high-end scsi and nic products are well supported.
Thank you. You accept the statement "Linux lags behind Windows".
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:42:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On 6 Jul 2000 03:20:22 GMT, Ray Chason
> ...and if you are going to spend that much on a video card,
> then why not get one that is held in higher regard like the
> latest nvidia cards?
Yes I know the nVidia cards look better - but then I've heard that Unreal
Tournament runs better with Voodoo.
> ...not to mention NT drivers. <snicker>
Yes this will be interesting to see. There are no Voodoo5 drivers for
Windows 2000. Who will be first I wonder? Linux or Windows 2000? I suspect
Linux might be because Microsoft have not position 2000 as a games
platform.
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:56:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>so, what's your fucking point, moron?
Ah the insults. Keep 'em coming. It serves to demonstrate the validity of
my arguments. If you don't like what you hear, yell at the poster! Yes!
That'll work!
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:57:09 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron Kulkis) wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Translation: Pete is a moron.
More insults.
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:39:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) wrote in <8k09u9$mc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>You're an idiot because you dont know how to get the very simple to work
>very, very well.
He has nothing useful to say - so he resorts to insults.
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:45:37 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Seems to work for others. Maybe you just need to learn the 'mount'
>command.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
>HP uses a different protocol on the 4200C than the 4100 and 5200,
>which are supported. Anyways, I went to the HP web page and only
>Win98 drivers are available. HP plans to release W2k drivers but they
>are not ready yet.
No Linux drivers there.
>Funny. I just went to www.3dfx.com and they only have Voodoo 5
>drivers for Win 95/98. None for Win2K. So which version of Windows are
>you talking about??
No Linux drivers there either.
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:52:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> OTOH, Linux will allow you to exploit modern printers, contemporary
> 3D hardware accelerators, consumer grade video overlay boards, pro
> grade video capture boards, network and scsi cards of various
> kinds, SCSI and USB peripherals and even the odd DVD decoder or
> two.
Like the Voodoo 5 for instance?
Like the USB ZIP 250?
Like the HP USB 4200C scanner?
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Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 6 Jul 2000 08:50:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
<8k0f8o$14r3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Not that upgrade, the next one. Click the DrakConf button and
>hit 'Mandrake Update'. But be prepared.
Is this the feature that was partially broken in 7.0 but has been updated
in 7.1 that presents you with a list of modules to upgrade?
>And you couldn't do that with a card that supports Linux? The
>nvidia drivers are easy to find. 3dfx might have some but
>if they do they have hidden them well.
Linux is not my primary OS.
>Start with: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/
I'll take a look. A Linux laptop might be fun.
>The frame buffer is different - there were directions around for
>running the ATI 128's in this mode before the real drivers
>were done.
I'll see if I can dig up the details of how to do this.
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:29:29 -0400
On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 6 Jul 2000, Hyman Rosen wrote:
>>> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>> Here is how the analogy is applicable:
>>>> As a GPL advocate, you discount the cost to the developers as a
>>>> class, and still call the lot 'free.' If you said IN PUBLIC, and
>>>> BEFORE PARKING, the lot is free, except for developers, then you
>>>> would be honest. GPL isn't honest like that, without the disclaimer
>>>> against it being free.
>>> No, here's how the analogy is applicable.
>>>
>>> You go stand in one of those parking spots, and when a car comes
>>> along, you ask the driver for $10 dollars to allow him to park
>>> there. As security hauls you off, you yell "But you said it's free
>>> parking! Why can't I charge someone else to use the spot?".
>> Analogies that use physical things (that is, where the use of that
>> physical thing denies use of that physical thing to the owner) will
>> never work. The use of virtual things do not deny the use of the
>> virtual thing to the owner.
> No, they just tend to perpetuate natural monopolies.
Do you have proof for this unsupportable statement? (Of course you
don't. Not that anyone intelligent ever expected you to.) I notice that
you still haven't even acknowledged the fact that you've been
slam-dunked on the matter of the "limited" definition of free (none of
the thirty-odd definitions support your assertions...)
-f
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Linux lags behind Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 03:33:32 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Pete Goodwin would say:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip) wrote in
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>>Seems to work for others. Maybe you just need to learn the 'mount'
>>command.
>
>Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
>
>>HP uses a different protocol on the 4200C than the 4100 and 5200,
>>which are supported. Anyways, I went to the HP web page and only
>>Win98 drivers are available. HP plans to release W2k drivers but they
>>are not ready yet.
>
>No Linux drivers there.
... Which makes Linux as well-supported as Microsoft's Flagship Product
in this regard ...
>>Funny. I just went to www.3dfx.com and they only have Voodoo 5
>>drivers for Win 95/98. None for Win2K. So which version of Windows are
>>you talking about??
>
>No Linux drivers there either.
Again, Linux is demonstrably as well-supported as Microsoft's Flagship
Products.
You _can't_ demonstrate that Linux is "lagging behind" when _neither_
system yet has support for the product in question.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linux.html>
"Recursion is the root of computation since it trades description for time."
-- Alan Perlis
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:35:03 -0400
On 7 Jul 2000, Sam Holden wrote:
> Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 6 Jul 2000, Hyman Rosen wrote:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>>>> It may be simple, but the restrictions make it anything but free.
>>> Nope, just like my favorite new example, two-hour free parking.
>> Actually, that doesn't work. Parking costs (fex.) $0.50 per hour.
>> Two-hours free parking means that you get a discount of $1.00 on your
>> parking costs, not exceeding your total parking costs.
>> It's a discount, not a freedom.
> Where I live we have 2 hours free parking, after which you get fined
> (and if the time of day is wrong your car gets towed away). It is not
> a discount. It is free parking with a two hour limit.
Then you have parking spots pretty much owned by the government. This is a
different matter, and the analogy still doesn't hold.
The example was surrounding those where stores allow you to have two
hours free parking (with parking validation, etc.).
-f
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From: Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Growing dependence on Java
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:34:51 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
Offlate I have seen a number of application written in Java and that
seems the companys trump card for
boasting multiplatform support. I downloaded XML Pro for Linux and its
so damn slow, JBuilder 3.5 is a snail
and Forte for Java is the slowest application I have seen.. Starwriter
takes time to load that I have switched to
Corel WordPerfect. And many applications are using java runtime.I think
applications should not compromise speed for platform indepence. There
can be some
tradeoff but Java is just too damn slow. What do you guys feel?
aravind
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is just plain awful
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 23:40:43 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Exactly!
>
> As a behind the scenes OS Linux is decent. Put it in the hands of the general
> public however and a revolt is in order. Linux=geek and it should stay that way.
>
> Personally I feel Linux sucks bigtime. It has no useful applications, except
^^^^^^
translation: I cannot support my argument.
> geek crap. It claims it supports hardware but when you actually try it you
> discover your hardware is reduced to baseline crap. You mean you want to run 3d
> acceleration with that video card? How dare you even ask :(
>
> IMHO Linux is a piece of raw sewerage that is headed toward that great septic
> tank in the sky. A stinky piece of data killing slime is Linux.
>
> Nobody is interested in another operating system, especially one as lame as
> Linux.
>
> Linux is for losers who have nothing better to do with their lives than compile
> kernels.
>
> Linux will die soon and nobody will even come to the funeral...
>
> On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:31:00 -0700, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joel Barnett"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> <snipped the unimportant parts>
> >>
> >> Schools out for the Summer, eh ? Pretty unimaginative as trolls go,
> >> i.e., obviously bogus storyline, stock Linux complaints,
> >
> >Oh, yes, there can't be anything to the story at all, especially
> >considering that it only rehashes the same complaints you're already
> >familiar with...
> >
> >Now is it just me or does that make no sense? Doesn't it seem as though
> >someone ought to actually look into these complaints and try to fix the
> >problem?
> >
> >From my own experience with Linux, Windows, and Macintosh, I can see how
> >the complaints would make sense. The herd is stampeding to follow a new
> >leader ... only Linux isn't as polished as Windows.
> >
> >For development machines, servers, embedded apps, and tinker-toys, Linux
> >is great. But is it really ready for commercial software?
> >
> >>etc. But keep trying, you might get better. Oh, in order to make a
> >>good troll, it helps to know something more about Linux than what you
> >>pickup in COLA.
> >>
> >> By the way, why did the lawyer lose data ??
> >>
> >> JBarntt
> >>
> >>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:47:05 -0400
On 7 Jul 2000, Steve Mading wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: In GPL terms, this actually means 'you cannot restrict others
>: *differently* than you have been restricted'; if I want credit for my
>: work, then I cannot state that I must have credit for my work -- even
>: if my only restriction is that one restriction.
> You can do this with GPL software. What you can't do is usurp the
> GPL software writers' desire to have their *OWN* code remain GPL'ed.
> If you write your own code, your own code can be distributed however
> you like, so long as it isn't a derivative of the GPL code. (The
> reason for that last part is to avoid the sticky situation where
> some shmuck comes along and adds one irrelevant line of code to
> a GPL tool and then claims it as his own.)
I don't know what planet you're either reading my comments on, or the
GPL itself. You *cannot* insert a 'credit' clause into software that
you GPL; you cannot mix GPLed software with other software that has a
licence that has a credit clause (e.g., MPL and apparently the Apache
licence).
If I had a licence that said:
1 All code derived from this code must be credited to the original
author in some way readily visible to users, such as on-line help,
documentation, or some similar mechanism; and
2 All code derived from this code must contain information on the
obtaining of the original code such that it is in some way readily
visible to users, such as on-line help, documentation, or some
similar mechanism.[1]
And that's *it*, this is enough to be incompatible with the GPL (such
that GPLed code could not be combined with software under this
theoretical licence), even though it contains significantly fewer
restrictions on the users.
-f
[1] Worded better, of course.
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From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:51:05 -0400
On 7 Jul 2000, Steve Mading wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Yes, that's what I said. The GPL, in it's attempt to control the
> : whole of a derived work, even the parts where the author of
> : the GPL'd portion made no contribution, restricts these
> : potentially useful works from being distributed. Even in
> : the case where the combined portion is much less restricted
> : than the GPL'd portion.
> The reason for the GPL restriction is simply to avoid the
> plagerism of calling the GPL code your own. If you use GPL
> source inside your own source, you can't easily make the two
> have seperate licensing terms: "Okay, lines 1-40 of main.c
> are under GPL, lines 41-44 are not, lines 45-120 are under
> GPL, and lines 121-154 are not, ..." That just can't work.
This is not true. Look at the MPL for how this is done.
> If you take great care to make sure your own code is well
> walled-off from the GPL code, for example by making it be
> a seperate executable with seperate source files, then it
> isn't a "derived work" and you then only need to openly
> redistribute the GPL parts, not your own.
This is not true; if you so much as *link* GPLed code into yours (e.g.,
you're calling *functions* in the linked code, but not using the code
itself), distribution of the combined work must be under the GPL, which
means that your unique code must either be GPLed or under a licence
that offers no *different* restrictions (e.g., a credit clause).
> When you start inserting your own code in the midst of the GPL code,
> then there is no good practical way to keep the credit for the two
> parts separate.
When you insert your own code in the midst of GPLed code, you are typically
contributing back to the GPLed codebase.
[Aside: I'm not picking on Steve here, but have I mentioned that people can
be confused by the claims about the GPL? I thought so.]
-f
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Subject: Re: Growing dependence on Java
From: Ciaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:55:16 -0700
Aravind Sadagopan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
> Offlate I have seen a number of application written in Java
and that
>seems the companys trump card for
>boasting multiplatform support. I downloaded XML Pro for Linux
and its
>so damn slow, JBuilder 3.5 is a snail
>and Forte for Java is the slowest application I have seen..
Starwriter
>takes time to load that I have switched to
>Corel WordPerfect. And many applications are using java
runtime.I think
>applications should not compromise speed for platform
indepence. There
>can be some
>tradeoff but Java is just too damn slow. What do you guys feel?
I had a recent experience that would make me tend to agree with
you. I use the Sybase dataabse engine Adaptive Server Anywhere(a
good product BTW)... recently they shipped version 7.0 with a
Java version of there admin/db managment tool Sybase Central...
I have no idea how fast and how much RAM they guys that wrote it
have on their machines... but it is more than a PIII500 with
256Meg... else they would have been driven insane.
There was a great deal of fuss raise in the ASA userland and
Sybase relented and made the old C++ written version available.
They said they will improve/debug/speed up the Java version for
future releases... but I dont think I am going to be using it
again anytime soon.
Cheers,
Ciaran
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From: "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Uptime 6 months and counting.
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 03:59:49 GMT
Hey Aaron:
Aaron Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Brian wrote:
>> Aaron Kulkis wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >I've yet to see even a 400 VA battery backup that
>> >wasn't equipped with a 30A wall cord.
>> Sorry dude, apples and oranges.
>> First of all, most UPS's are equipped with a 115V
>> 15A wall cord.
>Those cords will handle far more than 15 A, believe me.
True but irrelevant.
>> Second, a 400VA battery backup is capable of
>> amazing short term power generation - limited
>> only by the internal resistance of the batteries,
>> the collective on-resistance of the power
>> MOSFETs and the cumulative resistance of wire
>> and solder.
>Which is why a circuit breaker is built into every
>battery backup system....to keep the batteries from
>sourcing more current than what the other components
>can handle.
Circuit breakers have typical reaction times in the order of
multi-milliseconds (>1/1000 of a second) whereas power MOSFETs have reaction
times in the order of sub-microseconds (<1/1000000 of a second). Guess who
wins the race to interrupt the too-high current flow?
>> Violation of any of the myriad rules of order at
>> the alter of the mighty electron will release the
>> magic smoke from the weakest links, often the most
>> expensive components.
>Only in poorly designed systems. In properly designed
>systems, the circuit breaker will trip before any
>magic smoke is released.
Most inexpensive UPSs are severely limited in the resources spent on
overload protection. There are also many failure modes associated with
switching power supplies but this is not the forum.
I am fortunate enough to live in an area with few power failures - 3
interuptions in last 6 years. My Linux servers went down, came back up,
checked themselves out, corrected a couple errors and went straight back to
work.
If I was looking for high-availability, I would select a sw/hw RAID disk
systems, journalling filesystems, fail-over clustering and UPS.
Best regards,
Brian
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Subject: Re: Linux is just plain awful
From: pac4854 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 21:01:24 -0700
Let me quote from a "Heather69" post so any newbies here can see
what we're talking about when we get a positive ID on a troll...
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>>My wife works at one of the very large national chains and you
would
>>not believe how many folks come back returning Linux and
screaming out
>>loud that it F%#$#d up their hard drive and they lost all
their data.
>>Linux is numero uno in returns and nothing is even close.
Sounds almost exactly like the Wong number (sorry for the pun),
"numero uno" and all, doesn't it? Look folks, this is an old,
tired, repeat of a pathetic attempt at trolling. Newbies, this
is what Microsoft does to your brain. Oooh, neat idea for a
public service announcement... this is your brain; this is your
brain on Microsoft... (sizzzzle).
Anyway, to make a long story short, this moron is the same moron
as before.
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