Linux-Advocacy Digest #530, Volume #27 Sat, 8 Jul 00 00:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (John Dyson)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (John Dyson)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (John Dyson)
Re: It's not Commie to dethrone kings (Chris Shepherd)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Rick)
Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner? (I R A Darth Aggie)
Re: A e-mail client with Outlook-like functionality (Chris Shepherd)
Re: A e-mail client with Outlook-like functionality (Chris Shepherd)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: C# is a copy of java (Ed Cogburn)
Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451719.328^-.00000000000006 (Eric Bennett)
Re: OT, Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims... (Jim
Seymour)
Re: I had a reality check today :( (JoeX1029)
Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!! (JoeX1029)
REPOST: Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims... (Steve
Sobol [reposted because of HipClone cancel])
REPOST: Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims... (Cameron
L. Spitzer [reposted because of HipClone cancel])
Re: Who was that wo was scanning my ports--could it be Simon? (TNT)
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From: John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:22:19 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Hyman Rosen wrote:
> :>
> :> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> :> > Frankly those who claim that the GPL is free AND want to encumber
> :> > redistribution of work that others do ARE repugnent.
> :>
> :> That work that others have done is voluntarily encumbered, since
> :> they chose to use the GPLed code. Why is it repugnant to decide
> :> that for yourself?
> :>
> : Please parse the sentence carefully. The term 'free' and GPL are
> : incompatible.
>
> blah blah blah repeat assertion blah blah blah repeat assertion blah
> blah blah repeat assertion blah blah blah repeat assertion blah blah
> blah repeat assertion blah blah blah repeat assertion blah blah blah...
>
Blah blah blah, whine about being corrected, :-).
John
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From: John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:23:05 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : http://www.mozilla.org -- it's the Mozilla Public Licence.
>
> See other post above.
>
> [snip]
>
> : No, not really. Look around at some of the other licences that are
> : available, and I think that you'll see that you've been FUDed.
>
> The tactic of assuming that the only reason someone disagrees with
> you is because they don't have all the information is egotism.
>
The tactic of continuing a lie is a little worse than a little
bit of egotism :-).
John
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From: John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 21:24:14 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In gnu.misc.discuss, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> : Kerberos is not a good argument for the GPL. The same thing could have
> : happened if the MIT implementation were GPL'd. Kerberos is actually a
> : very good argument for the BSD license, as it would be much less widely
> : distributed now were it under a more restrictive license. The BSD license
> : met the intentions of the original authors (namely to raise the bar on
> : Internet security in general) considerably better than the GPL would have,
> : and given their goals I would have recommended they use the license they
> : did.
>
> Okay, so I picked a bad example. This doesn't invalidate the argument,
> only the example.
>
It does show a lack of understanding. The argument is also weak...
Please
refer to the triumph of the (really free) XFree86 over the unfortunate
attempt by the X consortium.
GPL aint needed. GPL can be helpful for the purpose though.
John
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's not Commie to dethrone kings
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:38:02 -0400
Ahh, then the British Monarchy is a fine example of Communism! Thanks
for clearing that one up.
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:47:50 -0400, Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I just had to say that. :)
> >
> >(I'm now dual-booting Win98 SE and Definite Linux 7.0)
> >
> >--
> >Laura Goodwin
> >
> >"Pain is fleeting, glory is forever.
> >Remember: scars are sexy."
>
> Oh, but it is commy to dethrown king's.
--
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to
create him." - Arthur C. Clarke
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:45:46 -0400
void wrote:
>
> On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:40:04 -0400, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >void wrote:
> >>
> >> Tell that to my friend, who bought an iMac and had a hard time getting
> >> his SCSI Zip drive to work over USB.
> >
> >Now, ahy are you blaming Apple for a non-supported peripheral not
> >working. How hard was it to connect a USB Zip to the iMac?
>
> Search me. My friend's Mac SE died and he bought the iMac. Is it so
> unreasonable for him to expect to use the same peripheral, especially
> when said peripheral is newish and uses a common, well-supported interface?
>
The "newish" Zips are USB. Imacs dont have USB. WHy expect SCSI
peripherals to run on SCSI-less machines.
> I'm not blaming Apple so much as I'm pointing out that desktop computing
> is a sufficiently complex affair that nothing can be expected to "just
> work" all the time.
>
Except that is just what the Mac usually does.
--
Rick
To reply by email remove the obvious from my address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I R A Darth Aggie)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Why Linux, and X.11 when MacOS 'X' is around the corner?
Date: 8 Jul 2000 02:39:34 GMT
Reply-To: no-courtesy-copies-please
On 7 Jul 2000 22:59:32 GMT,
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
+ On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:39:23 GMT, Paul E. Larson wrote:
+
+ >>>>Because people who CAN spell don't like Microsloth.
+ >>>>
+ >>>So using the above line as a test. You must like Microsoft!
+ >>
+ >>You've applied the converse, not the above line. Nice try (-;
+ >>
+ >Unless you know a corporation with the name Microsloth, it is a misspelling
+ >even if it is "supposed" to be derogatory.
+
+ It's a misspelling, sure.
Nah. Check out this:
% jargon microsloth
:)
James
--
Consulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC
The Bill of Rights is paid in Responsibilities - Jean McGuire
To cure your perl CGI problems, please look at:
<url:http://www.perl.com/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html>
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A e-mail client with Outlook-like functionality
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:44:12 -0400
> I though this would be the best group to post in because you'll all be up on
> the play with the latest and greatest Linux software.
>
> I did some extensive searching and and testing of many e-mail clients and I
> couldn't find a Linux e-mail client with this functionality:
> Multiple pop3 accounts and smtp servers
> Filtering and the ability to run filters on the current folder
> Ability to read HTML e-mail (not essential, but would be nice)
> Rudimentary spell checking
> A reliable database.
Umm, Netscape has a distribution for linux. It does everything you state
above, at least the one that came with RedHat 6.1 did.
> Frankly it's unbelievable that Netscape Messenger doesn't allow more than
> one pop3 address (and that goes for StarOffice as well).
Really? Worked fine for me... You just have to setup more than one mail
server, and that should allow you to download mail from whatever server
you like.
You sure you configured it properly?
--
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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From: Chris Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A e-mail client with Outlook-like functionality
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:47:27 -0400
Nevermind, just looked again.
Chris Shepherd wrote:
>
> > I though this would be the best group to post in because you'll all be up on
> > the play with the latest and greatest Linux software.
> >
> > I did some extensive searching and and testing of many e-mail clients and I
> > couldn't find a Linux e-mail client with this functionality:
> > Multiple pop3 accounts and smtp servers
> > Filtering and the ability to run filters on the current folder
> > Ability to read HTML e-mail (not essential, but would be nice)
> > Rudimentary spell checking
> > A reliable database.
>
> Umm, Netscape has a distribution for linux. It does everything you state
> above, at least the one that came with RedHat 6.1 did.
--
Chris Shepherd
Vice President, GDPS Computers
Known in the SCA as William Silverlake
"Do I have a head shaped like an amusing ice cube?" - Kryten
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 22:02:42 -0500
On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:19:50 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 18:44:17 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:26:00 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>>>>when said peripheral is newish and uses a common, well-supported interface?
>>>
>>> That is not at all established here actually.
>>>
>>> An SBLive uses a common, well-supported interface but you don't
>>> expect it to work in a G4 do you?
>>
>>Well, not THIS month, but I hold out hope for one of the next few
>>months.
>>
>
> You would always try it under Yellow Dog... <snicker>
Why? So I can run Linux on overpriced Mac hardware, rather than
running the same thing (with much better support) on faster, cheaper
Intel hardware?
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:06:53 -0400
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> Jim Cameron wrote:
> >
>
> > You've been told several times now, TRIM YOUR DAMN .SIG!
>
> Who here is working on a 1200 buad or less line?
>
> Who here is working on a system with less than 50 MB of disk space?
This kinda sounds like the justification for code bloat: "Let's use
the extra processing power and memory for yet another bell or whistle
which has little if any benefit for the user". Your arguing to waste
available net bandwidth for something which is fundamentally worthless
to everyone but the characters you mention in the sig. If you want to
continue your argument with Jeem, Jet, Unit_4, and Knackos, then send
*them* your sig, and save the rest of us from your sig bloat.
P.S. There are a lot more people than you realize who are paying by
the minute, or by the byte, for net access.
[snip ludicrously large sig]
--
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire
Ed C.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: How many years for Linux to catch up to NT on the desktop ?
Date: 7 Jul 2000 21:44:04 -0400
On 23 Jun 2000 07:55:06 GMT, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Pipes do exist on Windows. You can even do crude piping in a DOS prompt,
>but the Unix version is much better at it. However, I rarely use the
>command prompt anymore, so pipes are an interesting curiousity and nothing
>more.
Pipes don't exist on Windows. DOS "pipes" are done with intermediate
files. Unix pipes are done entirely in memory, and command shells are
not the only programs that use them.
--
Microsoft Windows. Beyond crappy. Beyond belief.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: CommyLinux vs Microsoft (was: Re: Windows98)
Date: 7 Jul 2000 21:52:18 -0400
On Thu, 06 Jul 2000 15:47:33 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>So you mean if we all use Linux, we'll all end up living in crumbling
>>lookalike concrete apartment buildings and looking over our shoulders for
>>the KGB?
>>
>>Oh-kaaaaay....
>
>And of course if we all use Windows, we'll all end up living in
>36-room mansions.
...until one of the rooms performs an illegal instruction and the
whole mansion goes down in blue flames, with all the rooms screaming
in unison: "FATAL EXCEPTION ERROR!"
--
Guns don't kill people, cops do!
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tholen digest, volume 2451719.328^-.00000000000006
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 23:44:07 -0400
In article <a6v95.22782$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Eric Bennett writes:
>
> >>> Say what you will about Dave's picture on his web site, but
> >>> he doesn't look like a very blubbery fellow to me.
>
> >> Consider your own picture, Eric.
>
> > Yes, I would guess that I have a good deal more blubber than you do.
>
> I was thinking of something else, Eric.
...
> That doesn't explain your other, shall we say, "features", Eric.
Expecting people to read your mind again?
You mean whatever that thing was in my mouth? I doubt a shark would
care about that.
That picture is probably about 8 years old, and one person who just met
me last fall saw that picture and said it doesn't look anything like me
today. I disagree, but I'll offer a more recent picture and you can
decide for yourself:
http://arginine.chem.cornell.edu/GroupMembers/emb.html
Of course, that picture does not have quite the same entertainment value.
> > Although perhaps it's equally cold if you spend enough time high up
> > on top of mountains at telescope facilities.
>
> I do, which is why your reasoning falls flat on its face, Eric.
Actually it doesn't, because that just means you probably have to buy a
thicker coat than I do.
In any event this possibility also explains why I put a smiley next to
my remark. What is the typical temperature difference between sea level
and the mountaintops out there?
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Seymour)
Subject: Re: OT, Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims...
Crossposted-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 03:48:26 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ron Ritzman wrote:
[snip]
>>
>>I was amazed as to the hoops that one had to jump through just to
>>do simple things such as getting the sound card working. Windows
>>plug n pray had spoiled me.
>
> It's awful, and Red Hat and Corel are not helping by claiming
> otherwise.
[snip]
That may well be, but for my purposes: a reliable system that
I can *depend* on is far more important than a sound card will
ever be.
Regards,
Jim
--
Jim Seymour | "Living in an email account with lots
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | of spam is like living in a community
http://home.msen.com/~jimsun | with trash in the streets,"
| - Gartner analyst Joyce Graff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: 08 Jul 2000 03:54:19 GMT
DUDE learn to friggin spell!!!! Did you make it past 2nd grade?? Just
wondering because my "dawg" spells better than you could ever hope to....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: Re: Running Linsux on a Compaq? Good luck!!!
Date: 08 Jul 2000 03:56:44 GMT
Yes because all of us are lucky enough to be able to afford SCSI. I do have
one SCSI box but that one was given to me... If I could afford SCSI don't you
think i'd have it?? Are you going to donate the card, cable and Drive???
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Sobol) [reposted
because of HipClone cancel]
Subject: REPOST: Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims...
Crossposted-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:32:33 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From 'Cameron L. Spitzer':
>It is very difficult to keep that an educational exercise, but if you
>can do that the results are extraordinary.
>
>I brought a bag of diskettes to the ASGP convention (we nominated
>Ralph Nader for president of the US) last month, Debian GNU/Linux 2.1r5
>Rescue Disk.
[snip]
May I have permission to quote this on my personal web site and on my
Linux user group's mailing list?
--
North Shore Technologies, Cleveland, OH http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net
Steve Sobol, BOFH - President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor
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About Spamfighters: "We're not net nazis. We're dot communists." - W. Arnold
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer) [reposted because of HipClone
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Subject: REPOST: Re: offering escape, Re: Three things not to say to spam victims...
Crossposted-To: news.admin.net-abuse.email
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Sobol wrote:
>From 'Cameron L. Spitzer':
>
>>It is very difficult to keep that an educational exercise, but if you
>>can do that the results are extraordinary.
>>
>>I brought a bag of diskettes to the ASGP convention (we nominated
>>Ralph Nader for president of the US) last month, Debian GNU/Linux 2.1r5
>>Rescue Disk.
>
>[snip]
>
>May I have permission to quote this on my personal web site and on my
>Linux user group's mailing list?
"This idea is not patented. Use it any way you see fit." -- Ralph Nader
Go for it.
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Subject: Re: Who was that wo was scanning my ports--could it be Simon?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNT)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 04:01:19 GMT
On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:27:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
<8k60ic$918$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Late lastnight, I noticed that someone was performing a port scan targeted
>against my router. The attacker IP address was 209.246.107.110 which
>corresponds to the hostname dialup-209.246.107.110.NewYork2.Level3.net. I
>find that it is interesting that this is a dialup PPP connection through one
>of the ISP that is used my Simon777, Susie Wong, and whatever other pseudo
>identity that is used by whatever his or her real identitiy is.
>
>The attack continued until mid morning today; other than a little loss of
>badwidth the attack did not have any real effect on my network, my firewall
>stopped the attack cold. I would like to remind the attacker that doing a
>port scan attack on a network or computer without the permission of those
>have authority over that equipment is a serious matter that can have
>regretable results for the attacker. Performing an attack of this type
>could also be a violation of the agreement that one has with their own ISP,
>which could cause cancellation of the attacker's account.
Your IP doesn't show in your post's header, so it was probably a random port
scan. Unless you have a fix IP, even if it shows in header, it will just
change after a disconection making your comp kinda impossible target.
>-----
>I run Linux, no bloody RedHat, Debian, Slackware, or Corel, just Linux.
>Uptime report with held to avoid embarrasing Windows users.
If so, please don't use OE5 any more (even on Windows).
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