Linux-Advocacy Digest #580, Volume #27 Tue, 11 Jul 00 01:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: A MacOpinion of Open Source that REALLY HITS THE MARK (ostracus)
The ultimate troll - LOL (John & Susie)
Re: Steve/Mike's New Name And Old Ethics -was- What I've always said: Netcraft
numbers of full of it ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Microsoft .Net ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Vote for the best WinTroll - COLA Oscars (sandrews)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: C# is a copy of java (mlw)
Re: A MacOpinion of Open Source that REALLY HITS THE MARK (John Jensen)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: C# is a copy of java
Re: Windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Christopher Barry)
Re: Vote for the best WinTroll - COLA Oscars ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Where did all my windows go? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The ultimate troll - LOL ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: ostracus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A MacOpinion of Open Source that REALLY HITS THE MARK
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:11:41 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> Drestin Black wrote:
>>
>> Let me tell you, this guy Lewis has written a fantastic article that
>> really really hits the mark. He tells it like it is and manages to say
>> it concisely and without insulting anyone. He says all the things I
>> wish I could say in a newsgroup posting without being interrupted by
>> zealots and fanatics with their spue. I loved reading this and I hope
>> you do too:
>>
>> http://www.macopinion.com/columns/macskeptic/00/07/07/index.html
>
>
> The author is an idiot.
>
>
>
Well I wouldn't go so far as calling him an idiot, so far as someone who
just has a POV that leaves 'blind spots'.
For those who have experience on multiple OS'es and have been around long
enough to witness the majority of computer history. As well as being
'human savvy' the 'holes' in some of the arguments will become quite evident.
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From: John & Susie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The ultimate troll - LOL
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:11:16 -0400
Think you guys get the best? Check this post sent to (among others)
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup ...
Michael Cox wrote:
>
> Matthew,
>
> Four questions.
>
> 1) Can you repeat the crash just by opening the file?
>
> 2) What was the error message at the top of the blue screen when you
> crashed?
>
> 3) What happens when you download a single file from the same location(you
> should re-download a file that was lost) and view it?
>
> 4) Is the directory in which you stored the files shared?
> Michael Cox available NT Admin, looking for a new workplace around Seattle.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> Disclaimer:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!
> The information contained in this post is for reference only, and is not
> guaranteed to work in your system. By posting this information, the author
> offers no guarantee as to the veracity of its content. The author of this
> post is not responsible for any loss suffered by any use of the posted
> information. And as usual, make certain that your resume is up to date and
> you have performed a proper backup prior to any attempt of this procedure.
>
> "Matthew S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi,
> >
> > Overnight I downloaded about 70MB of Hubble space photos. I looked at
> > them all this morning and they were there, but a few minutes ago I went
> > back to the directory and all but 4 of the 20 (or so) images were gone.
> > I definately did not move or delete them. The PC (NT4 SP5 Workstation)
> > then almost immediately crashed with the blue -full of hex- screen.
> >
> > [Basically the PC crashed just after I double-clicked on one of the
> > remaining 4 images to view it - Photoshop loaded with the image, I saw
> > the image for about 2 seconds and then the blue screen appeared.]
> >
> > I restarted and the missing images were still not there. Find file found
> > only the 4 remaining images and Recycle Bin didn't have them in it (I
> > knew it was a long shot looking there).
> >
> > I've been using NT 4 for 3 years and this has never happened before to
> > me. What happened? Is this likely to happen again with other files? What
> > can I do to prevent it happening? Is there any way to get my missing
> > images back (it took ages to find the images I wanted and I didn't keep
> > a record of the URL's that they came from)?
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Matthew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Steve/Mike's New Name And Old Ethics -was- What I've always said:
Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:13:02 GMT
In article <8ke14c$lfr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk) wrote:
[snippage]
> Here are the 28 fake names he's used to deceive people into
> thinking that many users are unhappy with Linux, when actually
> it's only him:
>
> Steve/Mike/Heather/Simon/teknite/keymaster/keys88/Sewer Rat/
> "S"/Sponge/Sarek/piddy/McSwain/pickle_pete/Ishmeal_hafizi/
> Syphon/Proculous/Tiberious/Amy/Jerry_Butler/Wobbles/wazzoo/
> "Tim Palmer"/BklynBoy/susie_wong/"leg log"/bison/deadpenguin/
> etc.
This puts a real crimp on the c.o.l.a. Oscar nominations, don't it; one
single microserf who can get nominated for worst male and female troll,
worst supporting troll, worst unoriginal script, worst dialogue, worst
abuse of facts, etc. This guy certainly deserves the Golden Sphincter
Award for having his head up his ass clear to his waist.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft .Net
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:20:57 GMT
>From Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary:
vapor \'va-per\ n [ME vapour, fr. MF vapeur, from L vapor steam, vapor
-- more at covet] 3 a : something unsubstantial or transitory : phantasm
B : a foolish or fanciful idea
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Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 23:29:30 -0400
From: sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Vote for the best WinTroll - COLA Oscars
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Amy is my wife.
>
> Heather is her middle name.
>
> At one time we shared accounts, but she has since gotten her own
> account.
>
> Wonder why that is?
>
She doesn`t want to be associated with you??????
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:34:42 GMT
And if Netcraft showed the pendulum swinging the other way, with IIS
usurping Apache territory, Drestin would claim that Netcraft is an
unbiased and indisputable source, and that their means of gathering
metrics was infallible and exemplified the best practices of the
industry.
When I backdoored a Microsoft-powered personal computer into a DEC-only
shop, I had to listen to this same bullshit from the DECsters. Well now
I've snuck a Linux box into the same place, and I gotta listen to the
same crap all over again from the Microserfs. In ten years, if I'm
still alive, I'll probably sneak something else in. And I'll have to
listen to the Linvocates whine and moan and they'll sound exactly like
Drestin who sounds exactly like the VMS bigots did fifteen years ago.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 10 Jul 2000 22:48:38 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Stump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Mike Stump escribió:
>>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> John Dyson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >A simple counter example is the new BSDL (not necessarily the old
>>> >one.) There are also other, freer than GPL licenses.
>>>
>>> Please explain how the BSDL is freer in the sense that it doesn't
>>> allow slavery than the GPL. In this sense, the GPL is freer.
>>
>>I thought that was a job for the constitution or somesuch, not for
>>a software license.
>
>Please explain why a license cannot be used as a tool for controlling
>the submission to the dominating influence of proprietary software
>that a proprietary license would have upon otherwise freer software.
Nothing anyone can add to software can take anything away from
the original released version which will be available as long
as anyone wants it to be. Why is there any need to try to
control other uses, except in the cases where the original
author also has a commercial version and wants to prevent competition?
How has proprietary software had any 'dominating influence' over
apache, X, or any number of freer projects?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:42:57 -0400
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
> "Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
> >
> > In article <8jt8ta$ie3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > You mean you don't like:
> > > char *foo="abcd"; foo[2];
> > > and
> > > "abcd"[2];
> > > and
> > > 2["abcd"];
> > > to all mean the same thing?
> >
> > Too right. That sort of programming (along with beauties like
> > *("abcd"+2) and its ilk) is abused so much more than it is used
> > properly. Hence, you're better off without it. I've lost count of
> > the number of times someone has done cute address arithmetic because
> > it was slightly faster and saved a few bytes on some particular
> > architecture (never mind the fact that it blows up in your face on
> > others...) Grrr...
> >
> > If a language is so uncontrolled that using a debugger is an everyday
> > occurrence, something is deeply wrong. IMHO at least. Trading a bit
>
> Nah. C was designed the way it is for very specific reasons.
>
> The DESIGNERS of the language are no more responsible for misuse
> of legal syntax structure than GM is responsible for drunken drivers.
I totally agree! People that can't handle pointers should go into web
pages. I routinely do things like:
class foo
{
public:
void * operator new( size_t size, void *);
};
foo *fp = (foo *) malloc(n*sizeof(foo));
assert(fp);
// Here be nasty stuff:
for(int i=0; i < n; i++)
{
new ((void *)&fp[i]) foo();
}
Tell me how to do that in java!
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A MacOpinion of Open Source that REALLY HITS THE MARK
Date: 11 Jul 2000 03:54:13 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: On 10 Jul 2000 22:57:49 GMT, John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >When I was thinking of aesthetics I wasn't thinking about simple
: >ease-of-use. Mac people like a unified GUI, for one thing. UNIX people
: >like choice. Things like that seem hard to combine.
: As long as the application developer is able to run amok this
: sort of 'aesthetic' is rather an illusion. It's rather similar
: to the Mac's PMT which depends on all developers playing nice
: in order for the feature in question to be fully realized.
That's just the thing. It is less an illusion on the Mac because the
culture supports a common set of GUI values. Things like the single menu
bar at the top of the screen (or the 1-button mouse) are (usually)
praised, while variant interfaces like KAI's tools are (usually)
criticized. Heck, there has been a bit of a cultural rift of late as the
Mac community decides how much of NeXT it can accept. Contrast that to
the UNIX (especially Linux) environment in which novelty is more highly
valued.
The original essay explains how Linux is not Mac ... and to that extent it
is correct. The flaw (IMO) of the original article is that it did not
come to grips with what open source is on its own (open source) terms.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 10 Jul 2000 22:55:48 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hyman Rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>> You can't encourage anything with restrictions. You can only
>> restrict it.
>
>So you believe that commercial software companies would happily
>go on producing software if there was no copyright law restricting
>how their products could be redistributed?
No. But the point of creating free software is generally not
the same as for commercial software. Restrictions need not
be involved at all.
>And you don't believe that restricting the consumption of alcohol
>on the street at parades (as in New York City) encourages more
>people to attend?
Perhaps - I suspect in Milwaukee it might have the opposite effect.
>And you don't believe that the restrictions on technology use
>granted by patents encourage technology to be published openly
>instead of being kept secret?
Yes, but what does that have to do with anything at all? There
is certainly no need to obtain a patent unless your intent is
to restrict usage.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 03:56:09 GMT
On 10 Jul 2000 21:22:37 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Stump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED][deletia]
>>>If you remove freedom, there's less freedom.
>>
>>Of course.
>>
>>>This would seem to be obvious, and I am totally at a loss as to why
>>>people don't see it.
>>
>>This would seem to be so obvious to all that I should not have to
>>explain it over and over and over again. I'm at a loss as to why you
>>cannot see it.
>
>Why do you think removing the freedom to build works that are
>also derivatives of other licenses is in any way increasing
>freedom?
Rights granted remain consistent and equal and rights are
encouraged to remain more widely enjoyed rather than
continually more narrowly enjoyed.
[deletia]
As far as the GPL being "less free" than the BSDL or even PD,
there is one thing that is being forgotten. Traditional US
copyright law acknowledges a sort of ultimate GPL on the
common pool of invention. IOW, all software should ultimately
be GPL/PD software if copyright is adequately applied to
software. The public interest in the disclosure of the means
to recreate an invention, and the acknowledgement that all
invention is ultimately unoriginal and derivative of common
knowledge both lead to the requirement that the monopoly on
intellectual property distribution should end in the full
disclosure of it, eventually.
--
The only motivation to treat a work derived from Free Software
as your sole personal property is to place some sort of market
barrier in front of your customers and to try and trap them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 10 Jul 2000 23:04:57 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yes, that's what I said. The GPL, in it's attempt to control the
>>whole of a derived work, even the parts where the author of
>>the GPL'd portion made no contribution, restricts these
>>potentially useful works from being distributed. Even in
>
> No it doesn't. It just ensures that those that are exploiting
> the common pool of software aren't doing so with the intent
> to restrict the subsequent liberties of others.
That is just one of many ways that GPL'd software can't be
used.
>>the case where the combined portion is much less restricted
>>than the GPL'd portion.
>
> Freedom in general is preserved rather than allowing for
> a single robber baron to be free to take advantage of
> everyone. That is a serious problem with software. It's
> marginal production cost tends towards zero and and
> software tends to end up being an essential facility of
> some sort. This is especially true of software that people
> are motivated to hide from you (in terms of source).
But why is it a problem? Who is it that has capitalized on
some free software and become so rich that you hate them?
I think making a well tested, freely usable base of code available
has had the opposite effect in all cases that I can see. It
lowers the barrier for competition and ends up making all
versions better, including the branches that continue to be free.
Please point out the example that convinced you that unrestricted
usage of open source code is bad for anyone.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: C# is a copy of java
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:02:47 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Nitpicking time. That sample is not C it is C++. ;-)
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > "Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <8jt8ta$ie3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > You mean you don't like:
> > > > char *foo="abcd"; foo[2];
> > > > and
> > > > "abcd"[2];
> > > > and
> > > > 2["abcd"];
> > > > to all mean the same thing?
> > >
> > > Too right. That sort of programming (along with beauties like
> > > *("abcd"+2) and its ilk) is abused so much more than it is used
> > > properly. Hence, you're better off without it. I've lost count of
> > > the number of times someone has done cute address arithmetic because
> > > it was slightly faster and saved a few bytes on some particular
> > > architecture (never mind the fact that it blows up in your face on
> > > others...) Grrr...
> > >
> > > If a language is so uncontrolled that using a debugger is an everyday
> > > occurrence, something is deeply wrong. IMHO at least. Trading a bit
> >
> > Nah. C was designed the way it is for very specific reasons.
> >
> > The DESIGNERS of the language are no more responsible for misuse
> > of legal syntax structure than GM is responsible for drunken drivers.
>
> I totally agree! People that can't handle pointers should go into web
> pages. I routinely do things like:
>
> class foo
> {
> public:
> void * operator new( size_t size, void *);
> };
>
> foo *fp = (foo *) malloc(n*sizeof(foo));
>
> assert(fp);
>
> // Here be nasty stuff:
> for(int i=0; i < n; i++)
> {
> new ((void *)&fp[i]) foo();
> }
>
> Tell me how to do that in java!
>
> --
> Mohawk Software
> Windows 9x, Windows NT, UNIX, Linux. Applications, drivers, support.
> Visit http://www.mohawksoft.com
> Nepotism proves the foolishness of at least two people.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:08:36 GMT
I still agree. So... what's your point?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: To Pete Goodwin: How Linux saved my lunch today!
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:07:11 GMT
Similar experience here. Wife got tired of calling home and getting a
busy signal while I was connected to the ISP, so I bought a call-waiting
modem. Dummy me, I installed it first under Windows because (1) I
thought it would be easier, and (2) if it didn't work under Windows, I
could be fairly certain it would blow big chunks under Linux.
The Windows install was a disaster, even though I followed the install
instructions from the modem vendor. I removed the old modem software
like the book said, physically removed the old modem, installed the new
one, and rebooted. Got the message "Windows has found new hardware"...
well, it thought it found a new floppy disk, and reinstalled it. Asked
me to reboot, so I did. Then it found a new soundcard... then a
printer... then my joystick... all the stuff I had forever and ever.
One peripheral after another, I had to load the CD, install the
software, and then reboot, and with some software two or three times for
each peripheral. Somewhere about the nineteenth reboot, it told me that
I had a bum copy of Internet Explorer and please insert the Win95 CD.
So I did, and guess what? It claimed it couldn't find IE on the CD. So
I grabbed the CD from my ISP which I knew had a current copy of IE and
it didn't work either. Net result is that I have a copy of Windows that
gives me an "IE internal error" whenever I do anything.
The Linux install for the modem? Typed three commands at the shell
prompt, edited one file, and the modem simply came alive and worked. No
reboot. No reloading of every-fscking-thing-attached. No problem.
I really, truly enjoy all the winvocates here telling me how much easier
Windows is than Linux. You all deserve the Golden Sphincter award for
having your head up your ass.
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From: Christopher Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:28:11 GMT
Check It Out!!! Not sure how I didn't realize it before! Pete 'the=20
douchebag' Goodwin is really Bill Gates! Get it - Good Win? It's a=20
fucking scam! Ever since he got fired (Ballmer the prick!) Bill's been=20
hangin on COLA pissin' people off, cause he's useless at M$. Goodwin-=20
what amoronic pen name. Head programmer -HAH! Couldn't code his ass out =
of a wet paper bag! If he ever did code anything, you know it must've=20
sucked. Good Win, but a bad loser. Pete, you're a fuckin' bonehead, and =
it has nothing to do with computers or Operating Systems or anything -=20
you, as an in-duh-vidual (your cuteness), are an ass.
All in favor say 'Aye!'
-C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 7/1/00, 6:35:13 AM, Nic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Re: =
Where did all my windows go?:
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > All X applications disappear. A message appears briefly that looks l=
ike
> > the cookie again, but I couldn't tell.
> In case anyone wants to reproduce this, the URL is
> http://www.dumpthepump.co.uk/ - running on NT and using the
> "windows-1252" character set.
> On my machine, the only thing that died was kfm, because I only use so=
me
> KDE apps, not the whole shebang. Having everything die can be the pric=
e
> you pay for an "integrated" desktop. Blech.
> Not sure whether to bother reporting this to the KDE folks or not, as =
if
> memory serves me correctly, it's been totally rewritten anyway, so may=
> not have the bug.
> Regards,
> Nic.
> KCharset: Wrong charset!
> Charset windows-1252 not available
> Rejecting cookie from http://www.dumpthepump.co.uk/
> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
> 0x40638c15 in free () from /lib/libc.so.6
> (gdb)
> --
> J. Random Coder < sky at wibble dot net >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Vote for the best WinTroll - COLA Oscars
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:19:31 GMT
Might have something to do with conscientious ISPs cutting off her air
supply over and over and over....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman's Politics (was: Linux is awesome!
Date: 10 Jul 2000 23:39:13 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Why do you think removing the freedom to build works that are
>>also derivatives of other licenses is in any way increasing
>>freedom?
>
> Rights granted remain consistent and equal and rights are
> encouraged to remain more widely enjoyed rather than
> continually more narrowly enjoyed.
No, the restrictions only narrow the scope of what can be
done.
>[deletia]
>
> As far as the GPL being "less free" than the BSDL or even PD,
> there is one thing that is being forgotten. Traditional US
> copyright law acknowledges a sort of ultimate GPL on the
> common pool of invention.
Yow, you mean you can't combine anything you know with anything
anyone else knows?
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where did all my windows go?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:25:37 GMT
Yeah back away from everything, very good! The fact is you were in
complete argreement regarding the topic of the thread! I did show that,
now your trying to squirm out of it. Hey, if you can't deal with the
fact that there is a choice in desk tops, that's your problem. If you
can't deal with the fact that bugs should be attributed to the software
package they come with and NOT the OS they run on is YOUR problem. KDE
bugs are KDE bugs, period! KDE is NOT a linux only desk manager, period.
Claiming KDE bugs are Linux bugs is stupid (install Redhat and you'll
get gnome by default), period. If you can't deal with claiming that KDE
bugs are KDE bugs and nothing more, that's your problem. The fact that
KDE is included (but not allways the default) with Linux distributions
dose NOT change that.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:26:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >this is in complete agreement with peter!
>
> No it is not. PEter claims that Linux < Windows, period. I do not.
Therefore
> I am not in complete agreement with Peter, and you haven't shown that
I am.
>
> --
> Donovan
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The ultimate troll - LOL
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 04:28:27 GMT
What makes you think this is a troll? For one, it doesn't start out
with "I work for a major software retailer" and there isn't anything
about refunds and returns, trashed drives, no printer support,
Soundblaster drivers, scrolly mice, filesize limits, or X11. How can
this be a troll without one or more of these troll prerequisites?
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