Linux-Advocacy Digest #745, Volume #27 Tue, 18 Jul 00 03:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Boris")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (T. Max Devlin)
Re: I had a reality check today :( ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Peter Ammon)
Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My soapbox (Re: Are Linux people illiterate?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Drazen Kacar)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:43:32 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ray Chason in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>And thus can be implemented by a convention of having the active process
>>yield at an appropriate interval, without the necessity of pre-emption.
>>Not as easily as pre-emption, true, but it can be done.
>
>This is indeed a necessary condition for a responsive CMT system. Most
>likely a sufficient condition as well, if the OS is properly designed.
>
>Yes, it can be done. At least in theory. Where this falls apart in
>practice is that a given stretch of code may take wildly different times
>to execute, depending on its input. The user may also have a slower
>computer than the developer. This creates the problem of just where do
>you put the yields.
>
>I'm sure you can see, furthermore, that one is more likely to get the
>Right Thing from a small number of OS developers than from God alone knows
>how many applications developers.
Yes, quite. Thanks for your comments.
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:42:16 -0400
abraxas wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>
> >>
> >> Drestin Black wrote:
> >> >
> >> > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > > > Rob:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before I even
> >> > begin to
> >> > > > think about how to do this in windows.
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code, dresden.
> >> >
> >> > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go mutilate
> >> > yourself some more...
> >>
> >> It's only an insult because it's TRUE!
> >
> >
> > oh really? prove it. How do I know you are a "unix systems engineer" - cause
> > your overlong sig says so? I mean, it's obvious abracadabra is a lying sak
> > without computer skills beyond peck and pray - but you are even more
> > undocumented...
> >
>
> I bet he knows what 'su' means.
opinions vary:
"substitute user" or "super user"
either way, the true meaning is the same.
heheh hhehehehhe
>
> -----yttrx
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:43:11 -0400
Spud wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > abraxas wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:8kefaj$3p2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > Rob:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I didn't read the code because I have a few questions before
> I even
> > > > begin to
> > > >> > think about how to do this in windows.
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> You didnt read the code because you CANT read the code,
> dresden.
> > > >
> > > > and again, you provide nothing but an attempt at insult. go
> mutilate
> > > > yourself some more...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > You dont know how to read code, because you are an IT
> professional. You
> > > know how to hook up printers, and thats about it. Now stop trying
> to
> > > fool everyone and go back to changing toner.
> > >
> >
> > No..he also replaces big, ORACLE databases servers on Unix with
> > Microsoft
> > Exchange running on LoseNT....
> >
> > NOT!
>
> "NOT" is absolutely correct. Only a complete idiot would even
> *contemplate* replacing a database server with a messaging server.
> Whoops, someone did contemplate it.
Yes, that would be resident troll, Drestin Black, who claims to
do exactly that.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Boris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:45:19 -0700
> You think your app is likely to be ported, or at least you have hopes?
> Fine; write it in C++. Then use VB to put a decent interface on it.
> When you port to some other platform, take the "meat" code with you,
> and redo the UI in something appropriate to that platform.
>
> > No argument there.. it's a tool that works for you (and others).
> The
> > way you said you don't care for C++, Java and Perl but do prefer VB
> made
> > it seem as though you thought VB was a better language. Which, IMO
> is
> > far from the truth.
>
> Better for some purposes... not all, by any means.
VB is becoming MS-recommended language for Web, COM+ development. It's much "safer"
than
C++ and allows for faster development process. MS claims that speed advantage of C++ is
not more than 10-15%; VB6 (latest version of VB) compiles into machine commands.
With .NET picture will change: C++, C#, VB - will all be compiled into intermediate
format
and run under special run-time environment (similar to Java VM). It will still be
possible
to have C++ code compile into machine commands; but that option will be used not for
Web
development, but rather for standalone apps. C# will allow "in-line" C++, similar to
how
current Visual C++ allows "in-line" assembly. "Safe" mode of C++ will include garbage
collection and prohibit pointer arithmetic.
MS has outstanding people in compiler/tools development. Visual C++ and VB are some of
the
best development tools available. Visual J++ was the best Java environment until Sun
started litigation process and court prohibited MS to sell Java. I'm sure that MS will
get
.NET development tools right very fast.
Boris
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:45:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Lars Träger in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>void <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:35:01 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>> Can you find a way to make cooperative multitasking as robust as
>> preemptive multitasking?
>
>Compare the Mac to Win95?
LOL
--
T. Max Devlin
Manager of Research & Educational Services
Managed Services
ELTRAX Technology Services Group
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I had a reality check today :(
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:44:36 -0400
Tim Palmer wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:12:15 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tim Palmer wrote:
> >>
> >> On 8 Jul 2000 07:20:33 GMT, Ray Chason
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On 6 Jul 2000 03:40:57 GMT, Ray Chason
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>>Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>It won't healp LIE-nux anny. Nobuddy want's to reed HOWTO after HOWTO after
>HOWTO. You alreddy have
> >> >>>>users reeding TOO HOWTO's PLUS the ones they alreddy half toreed to get the
>rest of CommyLie-nux working.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Can't you set up your Windoze-based newsreader so it doesn't spew these
> >> >>>mile-long lines?
> >> >>
> >> >>Cant you make your Generly Not Usefall (GNU) CommyLie-nux crap to handall long
>lines propperly?
> >> >
> >> >1) My newsreader is of my own design and handles long lines just fine,
> >> > thank you very much...
> >>
> >> Proov my point again why do'nt you? In UNIX you half to rite your own programms,
>and your another exampel.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >2) but others read news in university labs and such, using VT100 terminals
> >> > with no GUI capability.
> >>
> >> Today's universitty's have Windows. If all your universitty has are UNIX, then
>your universitty is living in a cave.
> >
> >
> >Caves like University of California, Berkely...MIT, Purdue, Carnegie
> >Mellon.
> >
> >Yeah...some caves.
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> >3) Then there are those who have to use large fonts just to read news at
> >> > all. Some of them are even Windoze users.
> >> >
> >> >4) You could horizontally scroll but that's a PITA.
> >>
> >> ...only if you use SLRN. In Outlook its easie you just use scroalbar.
> >>
> >
> >you are addled.
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> >5) Hence long-standing rules of netiquette call for lines to wrap in the
> >> > low 70's.
> >> >
> >> >You piss and moan that Linux makes *you* work harder, yet you're perfectly
> >> >willing to make *others* work harder to read your posts. Timmy-boy,
> >> >you're not just a Wintroll. You're also a hypocrite.
> >>
> >> That only half to work harder becase they use UNIX and UNIX make's them work
> >> harder. Thats' my
> >> hoal point. UNIX blows. Windo's is miles ahed of UNIX and you peopal are still
> >> acting like UNIX was
> >> stait-of-the-art.
> >
> >lets see...
> >
> >for f in `cat [file with a list of files to process]`
> >do
> > echo "processing file $f"
> > process_with_awk_script_to_edit and_rearrange_columns $f
> >done
> >
> >
> >
> >Or, alternatively, using LoseDOS drool-and-click to process
> >50 files by hand.
> >
> >Only a moron can fail to see that the LoseDOS interface
> >is FAR more work
>
> Or drag and drop 50 fials onto an icon to do the same thing without wrighting shell
>scripts.
>
I can do the exact same thing on any modern flavor of unix, so, like
do you have a point?
> >
> >>
> >> >>>...which is why nearly every Linux newsreader has a decent killfile,
> >> >>>unlike Lookout; why nearly every Linux newsreader honors user-
> >> >>>supplied margins, unlike Lookout; why no self-respecting Linux mail
> >> >>>client goes around spreading viruses, unlike Lookout....
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Oh, but Orifice does have that cute little paper clip. That paper clip
> >> >>>must fascinate you, doesn't it, Timmy-boy?
> >> >
> >> >I see you couldn't address this point.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I dont see any point to adress.
> >
> >Blindness is not victory
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
------------------------------
From: Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:41:52 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
> Said Craig Kelley in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Karl Knechtel) writes:
> [...]
> >Just don't try to print anything and then have your box immediately
> >respond; even on our new G4 (which is some seriously cool hardware,
> >BTW) the whole machine locks up for a few seconds when you print. Oh,
> >and what was that new feature in 9? You could actually use the
> >machine while it was copying files? :) Fun stuff.
>
> I thought that was a new feature in System 7. It was, in fact. But
> then, Windows uses the same line of bull.
>
> Can anybody tell me where precisely the bottleneck is that makes copying
> files slow down the response so badly?
It was Apple's insistence that a Mac network using AppleShare IP be
faster than a Windows network running under NT at copying files.
It really did decrease the usability of the OS for me.
I'm also a tad peeved that they removed the ability to eject but not
unmount a disk.
-Peter
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I've always said: Netcraft numbers of full of it
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:46:35 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> You are just a little too hyper to play with...
>
> remember, it's just an OS, it's just an OS...
>
> (oh, and just because you were once upon a time (gee, but not anymore,
> wonder why they don't want you anymore?) one of how many thousands of random
> gm employees doesn't mean you speak for GM nor does your word carry GMs
> weight behind it.)
a. I've been there, you haven't.
b. I continue to communicate with others within the company, including
at corporate headquarters in downtown Detroit.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:29:11 -0400
Aaron Ginn wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Data processing is oftentimes best represented in the mind as
> > 3+ dimensional processes. On the average, men's brains are MUCH
> > more adept at this sort of thinking (in the same way as on the
> > average, women's brain's are much more adept at acquiring and
> > using linquistic skills)
>
> Ugh. How about some data to back up your assertion. Women are just
> as capable, IME, as men in picking up technical things. There may be
> an issue in terms of getting women more interested and involved in
> science and mathematics at a younger age, but this deals more with
> social issues than actual ability. Boys tend to be more agressive in
> terms of demanding an instructor's attention than girls.
You're problem is that you cling tightly to your "equalist" philospophy
even when nature contradicts it.
>
> I think you may want to retract that statement. There are several
> very capable women that read this newsgroup. That sound you're
> hearing is your name entering a lot of scorefiles.
Exceptions do not make the rule.
With women going into every field these days, please explain why
men outnumber women by VAST ratios (like, 10:1) in computer science,
etc. even though women are the MAJORITY on most college campuses.
>
> > > on their ability to do anything. I know some women software engineers
> > > that will put anyone to shame. (And yes, they can install Linux)
> >
> > the exception does not make the rule.
>
> And your perception doesn't make it so either.
>
> Aaron
>
> --
> Aaron J. Ginn Motorola SPS
> Phone: (480) 814-4463 SemiCustom Solutions
> Fax: (480) 814-4058 1300 N. Alma School Rd.
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chandler, AZ 85226
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:30:43 -0400
KLH wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > mlw wrote:
> > >
> > > Iko wrote:
> > > > A linux server is made in about 3 hours...even my girlfriend can
> > > > do the job..
> > >
> > > Oh boy, do you have a lot to learn. Either you think poorly of your
> > > girlfriend or women generally. Either way, someone's sex has no bearing
> >
> > Data processing is oftentimes best represented in the mind as
> > 3+ dimensional processes. On the average, men's brains are MUCH
> > more adept at this sort of thinking (in the same way as on the
> > average, women's brain's are much more adept at acquiring and
> > using linquistic skills)
>
> Personally, I find the differences between the thinking of men and woman
> similar to the differences between KDE and GNOME; not very interesting and
> far too slight to really matter.
Evidently, you are not well-read on the subject.
Catch up, and get back to me.
>
> >
> > > on their ability to do anything. I know some women software engineers
> > > that will put anyone to shame. (And yes, they can install Linux)
> >
> > the exception does not make the rule.
>
> But, the exception does invalidate the rule.
No...an exception is an exception.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My soapbox (Re: Are Linux people illiterate?)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:34:02 -0400
Bloody Viking wrote:
> --
> DANGER: Charles Darwin is the lifeguard of the gene pool. Swim at own risk.
In your case, petty-officer-turned-welfare-bum, I would advise learning
to swim.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
------------------------------
From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:32:02 -0400
Reply-To: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well we could start a large circular argument in which we both
> > > > eventually waste 8 hours of our lives comparing and quoting
> > > > "documents" I really don't wish to do this. I will tell you one
> > > > thing. Government made a huge mistake when they decided to try
> > > > and help Netscape compete and get on the evening news all at the
> > > > same time.
> > >
> > > Good thing the government didn't do that.
> > >
> > > > I'll just go on record by saying the appeal will result in the
> > > > whole judgment being thrown out.
> > >
> > > Riiiiiigth.
> > >
> > > > But if it were upheld....
> > > >
> > > > Splitting up Microsoft will not punish the principal shareholders
> > > > at all, in fact it will most likely increase their wealth beyond
> > > > belief! It will not benefit the consumer in the slightest because
> > > > the price of the consumer operating system will surely go up. The
> > > > software market will still be incredibly competitive,
> > >
> > > You imply that the software market is competitive now. Some
> > > segments of it might be. But please, which x86 operating system is
> > > a viable alternative to MS Windows?
> >
> > Oh so you can see into the future. There is no chance to compete
> > without the government inserting themselves right between Microsoft
> > and the consumer and obstructing consumer choice.
>
> How does splitting Microsoft up obstruct consumer choice? Please explain.
>
> > In ten years you in fact know that desktops with Microsoft installed
> > will be the dominant platform without the HELP of Uncle Sam to show
> > us all a better way?
>
> I don't say nothing will ever come along and destroy Microsoft. I only
> say it isn't likely to happen anytime soon. Microsoft kills or embraces
> and extends any technology that might be a threat to it.
>
> Web appliances a potential problem? Buy WebTV. Middleware threat got you
> down? Break Java, crush Netscape. Worried about getting left behind the
> the streaming media market? Threaten Apple.
>
> > > BeOS? With no apps?
> > >
> > > Linux? The OS that compsci graduates have trouble with?
> > >
> > > Perhaps OS/2? Totally abandoned by IBM?
> > >
> > > You must be thinking of all that middleware. Let's see....
> > >
> > > Java? The write-once
> > > tweak-for-a-few-months-and-it-might-work-anywhere-
> > > but-you'd-better-test-because-it-might-not platform that Microsoft
> > > has already tried to do significant damage too?
> > >
> > > Or maybe you mean YellowBox for Windows? Canceled by Apple.
> > >
> > > Hey! Someone could be sneaky and use a browser as middlewa --
> > > err.... oh. Wait.
> >
> > > As if all this wasn't enough, Microsoft now wants to take over the
> > > entire Internet, and turn every web site into an "application"
> > > developed using Microsoft development tools. Just ask Bill Gates.
> > > He's very excited about the plan. And I hope you don't mind paying
> > > rental fees for software, and trusting all your data to Microsoft's
> > > servers.
> > >
> > > So, where is this huge threat to Microsoft's x86 OS monopoly?
> > > Please do tell. Even Microsoft couldn't do anything more than hand
> > > wave on this issue.
> >
> > It's all around you. What OS are you using?
>
> Not an x86 OS.
>
> > I'll bet this newsgroup isn't residing on an MS Server OS, I'll bet
> > the 20 or so hops this message takes to the news server do not touch
> > a Microsoft product. Nobody knows where the industry will be in ten
> > years.
>
> Servers and dedicated routers are hardly relevant. Those markets are
> tiny compared with the PC market.
I hardly think so.
> > I can say this - I would rather not be using a stripped down
> > operating system that the government gave me (*for my own good).
>
> If Microsoft has its way, in 3 years you'll be using a stripped down
> operating system (or a glorified web browser, depending on how you want
> to look at it), storing all your data on MS servers, accessing web pages
> created with MS development tools, renting all your software for a
> monthly fee, and probably using MSN for Internet access.
Who was it that said "The first company to capitalize on an innovation reaps
the greatest rewards and most improved operating margins. When competitors
start to use the same technologies, "your competitive advantage or
differentiation, or your effect on margins, gets commoditized," Time to move
to the next new thing.
Three years from now bandwidth restrictions and very cheap local storage
will still make the idea of remote storage absurd.
But software servers might be a deal for someone, it's just another of the
vast choices. I'm quite sure if it eventually takes off more companies will
be jumping on the software rental bandwagon.
If MSN put a DSL line to my house for the low prices that MS is known for
I'd be at least getting internet access through MS.
>
> Is that really what you want? Because that's what Gates says is coming.
Just because MS is unvailing something doesn't mean the consumer will choose
it.
MS tries out these kinds of things every so often , few actually take off
and are quickly dropped by MS. I never thought anyone would subscribe to MSN
from day one, yet it was supposed to kill AOL and all the other National
Service Providers when it was unveiled, wasn't it? At least that was the
talk from the Anti-MS crowd back then.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drazen Kacar)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
Date: 18 Jul 2000 06:23:46 GMT
Christopher Browne wrote:
> The "X hater" amongst them, Don Hopkins, has recently had things to say
> about Gnome that I found remarkably conciliatory.
I missed that. Any pointers?
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