Linux-Advocacy Digest #984, Volume #27 Wed, 26 Jul 00 11:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night... ("MH")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man! (John Jensen)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("Marcus Turner")
Re: Test -- please ignore ("Anders Gulden Olstad")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (Stuart Dunn)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 ("little boy" Stuyck) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mandrake not Linux? (Mikey)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? (Tim Kelley)
Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting (Roberto Alsina)
Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another one of Lenin's
Useful Idiots denies reality (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Still more Tholen Lies and (Jim Stuyck)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (Loren Petrich)
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From: "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I tried to install both W2K and Linux last night...
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:15:35 -0400
"> On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:46:19 GMT, "Jeff Hummer" coiled this fetid gem:
> >Here's some irony for you. A knowledgeable friend and I installed both
> >Windows 2000 and Gentus Linux 6.2 on an HDD last night. Windows took 5.5
> >hours to install and it still crashes during boot, despite much tweaking
at
> >the command line level. This is supposed to be easy?
Pure poppycock.
I installed a copy just last week with the four boot disks & running the CD
from a 10X drive and it took just about an hour.
You want to talk about a long install? Try Mandrake 7.1 Oh, the packages,..
I forgot. Like xeyes and all that Gnome spaghetti.
More LUB
(linux untruths & bullsh*t)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:26:08 GMT
On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:07:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In the grocery stores they (P&G, etc.) have PAID for shelf space for
>their products. I'm mystified that you don't see this as a massive
>issue.
Interestingly, the FTC has begun an investigation into this practice.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man!
Date: 26 Jul 2000 13:27:20 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
: On 26 Jul 2000 03:27:54 GMT, John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >Which widget? Apple's? Modula's? Oberon's? Lagoona's? Java's? Or do
: >your blinkers only permit you to see Microsoft's work? God, you are Bill
: At the moment, we happen to be talkign about the M$ widget in
: particular which being like any MS widget is more about advancing
: Microsoft's market domination goals than any sort of engineering
: excellence.
: Furthermore, criticisms about a particular implementation of an
: idea or a class of implementation or a particular implementor
: in no way implies that the notion in general is disputed.
:
: >Gates dream lover .. you think everything is a Microsoft innovation!
: No, you are just indulging in the construction of very weak
: straw effigies to avoid actually addressing the issues
: inherent abdicating control over your own applications and
: data.
Nice to see you retreat to the position I've suggested all along.
That is, that the general concepts have merits outside Microsoft's
specific implementation. Look again at the quote you took execption with
yesterday:
"Doing 'component-oriented software engineering' doesn't put you "even
more at the mercy of the likes of Microsoft". There might be some
specific implementations of component-oriented software, created by
Microsoft that would do that, but jeeze louise it isn't the whole domain
of knowledge!"
Suddenly, this is your position too!
John
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From: "Marcus Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:41:19 GMT
"Loren Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8llt98$3uj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <X_jf5.75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Marcus Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"Not For Smoking!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >> >By mutual agreement.
> >> You have a funny definition of "mutual."
> >Ummm...
> >They both agreed to it because it made them more money than a
non-exclusive
> >contract would have.
>
> And how is that supposed to be the case? BE SPECIFIC.
Well, Loren, Do you really think that the OEMs would have signed a contract
that would have made them less money? Do you believe that Microsoft use
some sort of coercion in these contracts? Do you know of some kind of
kickback or payoff that has occurred? Do you understand that exclusive
contracts are quite common and legal in the United States? Are You aware
that Judge Jackson and the DOJ signed off on the language in these mutual
agreements, saying yes they are legal?
BE SPECIFIC!
> That's like saying that paying taxes is 100% voluntary because if
> one does not like paying taxes, one can move elsewhere. Such as to some
> floating city in international waters (none exist at the moment, but there
> are plans to build such cities, usually by those wanting to build
> libertarian utopias).
Ah. Nice to see you are recycling your taglines. Tho' I'm not sure what a
contact between two willing people has to do with paying taxes in a floating
city or whatever your laughtrack is stuck on...
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From: "Anders Gulden Olstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Test -- please ignore
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:12 GMT
Dr. Stephen S. Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you.
Please use test groups for that.
--
Sing While You May
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From: Stuart Dunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 21:40:57 +0000
After all, the boss
> is vital because he plays golf all day, and all you do is work,
> which makes you expendable, right?
Most business owners work at least as hard as their employees. They
don't have time to play golf.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 ("little boy" Stuyck)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:02:53 GMT
Jim "little boy" Stuyck writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Typical invective. Still engaging in the lowest level of discussion,
I see. No surprise there.
>> Ask Stuyck about his investigation involving Mai Fong, for example.
> What "investigation involving Mai Fong" do you refer to?
Yours, Stuyck (little boy).
> This is the first such allegation I've ever seen.
Read some of your own postings, Stuyck (little boy).
> You didn't write "alleged investigation," so your blanket assertion
> that there was an "investigation" is written as if it were fact.
It is a fact, Stuyck (little boy). Or were you lying about all your
detective work in your previous postings on the subject?
> There was no such "investigation involving Mai Fong,"
Balderdash, Stuyck (little boy). Have you also forgotten about
Doug Lantini?
> so I'm curious as to why you post yet another "lie and
> misrepresentation."
How ironic, coming from the person lying and misrepresenting things.
You must be getting senile, Stuyck (little boy), to have forgotten
about your investigation of the alleged "cast of characters" at
Chauvet.
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From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Mandrake not Linux?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:09:03 -0400
Thus Sprake abraxas:
> >> > btw, Mandrake
> >> >not Linux?
> >> >How so?
> >>
> >> It isn't your only option and those that choose to install it
> >> on their machines (OEMs) aren't bound by contracts not to
> >> change it.
> >
> > Do you mean by adding unofficial changes to the kernel for more specific
> > machines?
> >
>
> Sort of, more specifically, cleaning up the classically munged kernel headers
> for all platforms they offer. The kernel is no longer linux, this change was
> not AFAIK approved by torvalds nor implemented by cox.
I never thought about it until you mentioned it. Here's the $dmesg |
head (or you can do $uname -a)
, I get...
"Linux version 2.2.14-15mdk (hostname) (gcc version 2.295.2.19991024
(release)) #1"
So I guess the mdk means that it's a custom kernel. Co-inky-dink?
Hmmmm.... Well, they still fall under the GPL, so they can't be all
that evil. :)
--
Since-beer-leekz,
Mikey
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam
possit materiari?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:03:29 +0200
> Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 01:43:29 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>When I'm using a word processor, my computer is a word
> >>processor. It might not be such a bad thing for it to be tweaked, at
> >>that moment in time, to be a word processor. Likewise when I'm using a
> >>web browser, or a database, or whatever.
> >
> >And that might take what....2% of the cpu when you're furiously
> >typing? 5%? And so wouldn't it be nice if your OS were efficient and
> >distributed the other 95% or so to other apps, so your CPU would seen
> >even faster and would be used efficiently?
c't recently tested the low-power mobile Pentium3. The processor used
the most power when typing in Word. Wouldn't that mean it gets used
quite a bit?
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:03:30 +0200
Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=) wrote:
> > Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 14% of iMac buyers switched from PC. Unless they used Win 3.1 or older,
> > they swirched from PMT to CMT. That's from 3.7 million units sold.
> > That's half a million people who switched from PMT to CMT just for the
> > pretty case (or the ease of use). Can't be that important to them.
>
> 14% of iMac users are what percentage of PC users? 0.5%?
> In that case, you could confidently say that for .5% of PC users
> PMT is less important than ease of use and pretty cases combined.
Yeah, but how many PC users chose their OS *because* it had PMT instead
of CMT? Those .5% of PC users are just the ones who *switched* to one
model (in the 2 years of its existance) despite CMT, about 10x as much
(more if you don't count those who haven't bought a new Mac in the last
2 years) still use the MacOS, not an OS with PMT.
And those are only the ones who made it obvious that they thought other
things are more important than PMT. If MS hadn't switched to PMT in
Win95, more than 80% of PC users would still use CMT.
Lars T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Lars_Tr=E4ger?=)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 16:03:31 +0200
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> > [...]
> > >Nah.. conservatism vs liberalism are orthogonal to left-right issues.
> >
> > You're kidding, right? I could consider that maybe they were not
> > synonymous. But 'orthogonal'? That's hogwash.
> >
> > As I stated, left-right are not definitive, they are descriptive. But I
> > don't understand why you wouldn't consider them at least related to
> > con/lib, as the common idiom generally indicates:
> >
> > Left = Liberal = Democrat
> > Right = Conservative = Republican
Left = those who sit on the left in the english House of Commons.
> Liberalism merely means pro-change.
> conservatism merely means pro-restraint
Liberalism merely means pro-freedom.
Conservatism merely means contra-change.
Lars T.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:09:33 -0500
Perry Pip wrote:
>
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:47:13 -0500,
> Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Society does not equal government.
>
> Government is an undesirable but essential part of society. You are
> also a part of society. Thus, you can never be completely disconnected
> from Government. You pay taxes, file a return every year, and observe
> other laws, don't you?? The things that Government does affects you in
> a multitude of ways, some good, some not so good.
Well no, you just currently lack the imagination to stand on a
chair and view the room from a different angle. I do not think
government is neccessary at all. A healthy society is perfectly
capable of self government; this should not be considered
"radical" - it is an ancient idea (thoroughly absent in modern
times) which entered people's heads when they first started
living in complex societies: democracy.
I do not consider government to be "part of society". Society is
a natural phenomenon arising out of the fact that humans are by
nature social and political (do not confuse politics with
statecraft, there is a distinction). Society is based on shared
values and any societies ethics and customs arise naturally from
this. The values of a state transcend this and excuse any
behaviour no matter how horrible - that is what patriotism is -
the transcendent and anti-human morality of the state. One need
only observe the way states interact and compare to how people
do, and I think it will be rather clear. Jungle law governs the
relations between states. Government is a perversion of of
society. Revolt against society is inconcieveable and sick;
revolt against government is healthy.
If you agree that government is undesireable, then how far are
you willing to go?
If it is undesireable, then ask yourself what it is that makes it
so.
> >A revolutionary is not a sociopath.
>
> And so how are you revolutionary??
I believe anyone who wishes the government out of existence is by
definition such, no?
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux ap't vs. Micorosoft (was: Re: If Microsoft starts renting
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:21:46 -0300
Tim Palmer escribió:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tim Palmer wrote:
> >>
> >> LIE-nux Apt's v2.4.0.BETA.0.0.0.1
> >>
> >> WINDOW
> >>
> >> The apt comes with no outside walls at all, but it comes with brick's and mortar,
> >> and panes of glass,
> >> and a short summery of how to bild with them, so you can built in as many windo's
> >> as you want.
> >
> >When I installed SuSE 6.4, I not only had a functioning O/S, I also had
> >a couple HUNDRED applications installed from the get-go.
> >
>
> ...like vi and sedd and gcc, things to hack toggether something that
> reseblel's a app.
If you counted vi and sed, he probably has several thousands. Nowadays,
apps
are more sophisticated things. Say, SQL servers. Suse comes with about 6
of
them, or so.
> >Seems to me like Linux is a mansion, and LOSE-DOS is the one insisting
> >that the owner "build a system himself"
> >
>
> ...and grepp and tr and strings...
And at least 3 different word processors.
> >Yes, it was soooooooooo difficult to point-and-click the setup to
> >specify
> >installation of KDE, GNOME, fvwm, fvwmnf, motif, etc., etc.,
> >
> >I spent YEARS learning how to do it... NOT!
>
> Getting it's instaled is one thing. Try using it evry day.
Been doing just that exclusively since 1997.
BTW: if you don't comment on the last 200 lines of a post, please trim
them.
[snip]
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Aaron Kulkis -- USELESS Idiot -- And His "Enemies" -was- Another one of
Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: 26 Jul 2000 14:16:04 GMT
Don't miss the special feature at the end of this article --
DejaNews search URLs for all the people in Kulkis' signature!
Surprise -- they're a lot nicer and smarter than he is!
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Loren Petrich wrote:
>>...
>Oh, and you STILL have failed to mention even a SINGLE philosophical
>difference between yourself and the Communist party. It's been over
>a week and 5 different requests.
That's because the question doesn't deserve an answer.
Hey, Kulkis, are you still having sex with your mother?
>We're waiting for your closet-dictator answer, fatboy.
*And* with your father?
How do we know that Aaron Kulkis is a brainwashed moron?
Let us count the ways:
1. Kulkis thinks that the Russian Communist leaders let go
of their most productive colony nations, as well as the
entire economic and political apparatus of Communism,
and allowed many of their number to be murdered in the
bombardment of the parliament building by Boris Yeltsin,
who had been approved for his position by the American
Conservative Heritage Foundation, all as a *secret plot*
to make America lower its guard, so that World Communism
can eventually triumph.
Note: World Communism has now narrowed its focus to a
single goal -- invading and taking over Aaron R. Kulkis.
To this end they have moved their headquarters and
military forces into his bedroom closet, and established
an advance base under his bed. They've had great success
using their microwave lasers to make him hear voices
in his head.
2. Kulkis thinks that women are innately inferior to men in
the areas of intelligence required for science and engi-
neering, and cites as his evidence the book "The Bell
Curve", which is based on "research" paid for by the
racist Pioneer Fund, the American organization whose
ideas on the "natural superiority" of the "White Race"
were borrowed by Adolf Hitler and formed the basis of
Nazi racism.
3. Kulkis thinks that democracy will best be served if
wealthy people can pay for as many political campaign
advertisements and other contributions as they want.
This is called "One dollar -- one vote", or more simply,
legalized political bribery and corruption.
For example, the tobacco industry gives Conservative
politicians -- almost all of them Republicans -- many
millions of dollars every year, and those politicians
always vote to let that industry continue to murder
people for profit, even after they've killed 25,000,000
Americans in the last 50 years.
Conservative answer: "We're protecting people's freedom."
Actual meaning: "By our actions in the government, we're
protecting the freedom of wealthy people to gouge money
out of everyone else by any means they choose, even
showing sexy advertisements to entice kids into using
the most lethal addictive drug known, which will cause
a third of them to lose 25 years off their life. In
return for casting our votes in the Senate and House
to make this possible, *we* get a cut of the profits!"
4. Kulkis posts about 50 articles a day to the newsgroup
comp.os.linux.advocacy, most of them one-liners surround-
ed by the entire unedited text of the parent article.
5. Kulkis appends to all his articles the most asinine,
bloated, paranoid signature in the history of Usenet,
which he insists on using even after being told not to
by lots of people, including some of the main contribu-
tors to c.o.l.a.
And now -- here are the good folks on Kulkis' enemies list!
It's become all too clear why he has enemies: he's an obnox-
ious, spamming, blowhard, paranoid, Right-wing jerk.
But... he's also stupid enough to tell us the names of some
of the many other people who refuse to take his crap.
Welcome Comrades!
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
Dutton is certainly on the mark regarding Kulkis:
DejaNews power search: auth= jim & dutton keyword= kulkis
http://deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/qs.xp?ST=PS&QRY=kulkis&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&OP=dnquery.xp&LNG=ALL&authors=jim+%26+dutton&showsort=date&maxhits=100
>C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
> sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
> that she doesn't like.
>D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
>E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (D) above.
>From what I've read so far, Jet is an intelligent and per-
sonable woman. That's probably why Kulkis devotes 8 lines
total to her in his .sig -- the others get only one or two.
Kulkis hates women who aren't subservient to men.
DejaNews power search: auth= jet keyword= kulkis
http://deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/qs.xp?ST=PS&QRY=kulkis&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&OP=dnquery.xp&LNG=ALL&authors=jet&showsort=date&maxhits=100
>G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
Unit* is a spam-hunter and SubGenius with a large website:
DejaNews power search: auth= unit* keyword= kulkis
http://deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/qs.xp?ST=PS&QRY=kulkis&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&OP=dnquery.xp&LNG=ALL&authors=unit*&showsort=date&maxhits=100
>H: Knackos...you're a retard.
Not at all. However, he does inhabit alt.tasteless, which
is as the name implies (it's an acquired taste, not for the
easily offended).
DejaNews power search: auth= knackos* keyword= kulkis
http://deja.com/=dnc/[ST_rn=ps]/qs.xp?ST=PS&QRY=kulkis&defaultOp=AND&DBS=1&OP=dnquery.xp&LNG=ALL&authors=knackos*&showsort=date&maxhits=100
This search brings up only two articles (but, as with all
the others, you can leave out the keyword=kulkis to see more).
One of them makes a very good point regarding Kulkis:
}HEY FUCKING UNIX SYSTEMS ENGINEER, WHERE D'YA GET THAT
}QUALIFICATION ? Did it come in a pack of cereal ? I'm asking
}because anyone who so blatantly breaks one of the simple rules
}of e-mail and usenet - 4 line .sigfile, MAX ! - would have
}quickly been branded and banished from the brotherhood.
}
}Oh, I get it, you have never touched a Unix system, you just put
}that in your .sig hoping to impress. Sorry buddy but it's
}transparently clear that you ain't got a clue.
Amen, brother!
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From: Jim Stuyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451750 (Still more Tholen Lies and
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:25:46 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Jim "little boy" Stuyck writes:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Typical invective. Still engaging in the lowest level of discussion,
> I see. No surprise there.
If the shoe fits... It was YOU that brought up the discussion of this
"Mai Fong" person, the "lowest level of discussion" in your own words.
> >> Ask Stuyck about his investigation involving Mai Fong, for example.
>
> > What "investigation involving Mai Fong" do you refer to?
>
> Yours, Stuyck (little boy).
Prove it, if you think you can. Otherwise, still another argument by
evasion.
> > This is the first such allegation I've ever seen.
>
> Read some of your own postings, Stuyck (little boy).
Show us this specific "investigation of Mai Fong." Otherwise, still another
example of your argument by evasion.
> > You didn't write "alleged investigation," so your blanket assertion
> > that there was an "investigation" is written as if it were fact.
>
> It is a fact, Stuyck (little boy). Or were you lying about all your
> detective work in your previous postings on the subject?
Show us this specific "investigation of Mai Fong." Otherwise, still
another example of your argument by evasion. No surprise there.
> > There was no such "investigation involving Mai Fong,"
>
> Balderdash, Stuyck (little boy). Have you also forgotten about
> Doug Lantini?
What's "Doug Lantini" got to do with "Mai Fong?" Are you asserting that
they are one in the same? Are you asserting that a "Doug Lantini" really
exists?
> > so I'm curious as to why you post yet another "lie and
> > misrepresentation."
>
> How ironic, coming from the person lying and misrepresenting things.
> You must be getting senile, Stuyck (little boy), to have forgotten
> about your investigation of the alleged "cast of characters" at
> Chauvet.
Not at all. You DID find my results -- this "'cast of characters' at
Chauvet" -- accurate, didn't you? I knew you did. How about "FREESPEECH?"
How about "webrider?" Why was it that, at the time, you -- you who claims
to be all for fairness, blah, blah -- didn't tell these "characters" that their
presence was not welcome?
Tell us, wedgie-boy, what did you think of the Tim Martin appeal for more
members of Warp City so that he could purchase a surfboard? What, with
all that Chauvet largess he talks about, you'd think he'd simply ask one of
the "Chauvet's" for a gift, instead of all that champagne, wouldn't you?
Jim Stuyck
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: 26 Jul 2000 14:33:05 GMT
In article <P%Af5.49$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marcus Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well, Loren, Do you really think that the OEMs would have signed a contract
>that would have made them less money? ...
That's a separate issue, and *you* know it. The issue here is the
way that M$ had set up those contracts -- to make 95% preloads
significantly more expensive than 100% preloads.
Why not defend extortion on the ground that the extorted ones had
agreed to be "protected" from broken windows, fires, and the like?
>> That's like saying that paying taxes is 100% voluntary because if
>> one does not like paying taxes, one can move elsewhere. Such as to some
>> floating city in international waters (none exist at the moment, but there
>> are plans to build such cities, usually by those wanting to build
>> libertarian utopias).
>Ah. Nice to see you are recycling your taglines. Tho' I'm not sure what a
>contact between two willing people has to do with paying taxes in a floating
>city or whatever your laughtrack is stuck on...
It's a contract between two *organizations*, one of which has the
other by the Family Jewels.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:
Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: 26 Jul 2000 14:35:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve wrote:
>> The robber barons want H1-B visa employees at slave wages...
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^
>Spot the contradiction.
>You cannot get an H1-B sponsorship approved UNLESS you demonstrate that
>you are going to pay the new hire a salary GREATER THAN the
>50th Percentile of other workers in that job classification.
All the employers have to do is create some new job
classification for the purpose of evading that regulation.
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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